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Does Atheism Lead to Nihilism?
RE: Does Atheism Lead to Nihilism?
(March 13, 2015 at 11:45 am)SteveII Wrote:
(March 13, 2015 at 11:16 am)robvalue Wrote: Steve: are you now trying to say atheists get their morals from God?

If God sets what is moral and what is not, then it is subjective to him. It is then of no guarantee that it will actually have anything to do with our wellbeing.

The Judeo-christian position is that we (all of us) are created in the image of God and that (among other things) is where our sense of morality comes from.

God, being the greatest conceivable being is necessarily good. Because being the ultimate good (his very character defines it) is greater than merely reflecting a set of subjective moral concepts attempting to define good. So as you move backwards that is the explanatory stopping point for morality--contrasted against the naturalist perspective which gives no (or arbitrary) explanatory stopping point (and therefore subjective).

Translation: "I have a bald claim, bereft of evidence, that I am still trying to shop to skeptics."

(March 13, 2015 at 12:49 pm)SteveII Wrote: God neither conforms to nor invents the moral order. Rather His very nature is the standard for good.

Judged by whose standards?

Another unsupported assertion. Color me surprised.

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Does Atheism Lead to Nihilism? - by SteveII - March 10, 2015 at 10:35 am
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RE: Does Atheism Lead to Nihilism? - by SteveII - March 10, 2015 at 12:14 pm
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RE: Does Atheism Lead to Nihilism? - by SteveII - March 10, 2015 at 12:02 pm
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RE: Does Atheism Lead to Nihilism? - by SteveII - March 10, 2015 at 12:26 pm
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RE: Does Atheism Lead to Nihilism? - by robvalue - March 16, 2015 at 2:48 pm
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RE: Does Atheism Lead to Nihilism? - by Faith No More - March 16, 2015 at 2:49 pm
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