RE: Evolution Theory - please show the proofs
August 27, 2010 at 1:13 am
(This post was last modified: August 27, 2010 at 1:20 am by Tsidkenu.)
(August 25, 2010 at 8:32 pm)DiRNiS Wrote: He came into the forum trying to challenge TheDarkestOfAngels and others to "prove" evolution is a fact.
i have done so, because TheDarkestOfAngels asserted, it was a proven fact. Unfortunately, he failed miserably to show his assertion was true.
Quote:He has been given a bunch of links and documents supporting evidence for evolution but somehow chooses to ignore it all since they are not compatible with his "goddidit" views and has the cynicism to keep asking for evidence.
I did choose ONE of his presented papers. He was unable to show how it provided unquestionable proof, how human language arose through natural selection, and mutation.
Quote:If you are going to ask for "proof" or evidence supporting evolution it would help if you would fucking read it and stop ignoring it when it's given to you before you keep asking for proof that convinces you.
It has NOT given to me. Proof should convince ANYONE without doubt of its trueness, in the same way, as mathematical formulas do.
Quote:Obviously that is going to be impossible since you already made up your mind that the bible must be right and everything that contradicts it has to be wrong.
If the bible said, 2 + 2 = 5, do you think i would be unreasonable enough, and believe rather the bible, than the fact, the result of the formula was false ?
Quote:Seriously, I don't know why we waste our time with this kind of people.
You don't, unless you are not willing to LISTEN as well, and maibe consider why i believe , what i believe.
Quote:They have obviously subscribed themselves to their dogma and no matter how much evidence is put in front of their faces
In this case, you should be able to solve something, i am questioning everybody here, and nobody gave me a reasonable answer yet. How did thought, and the ability of speech, arise through evolution ? If evolution is a proven fact, where is the proof ?
http://www.icr.org/article/einsteins-gul...-cross-it/
Albert Einstein, one of the greatest scientists of all time, described the "gulf" that logically separates the concrete world of hard objects on the one hand from the abstract world of ideas on the other. He wrote:
Quote:We have the habit of combining certain concepts and conceptual relations (propositions) so definitely with certain sense experiences that we do not become conscious of the gulf—logically unbridgeable—which separates the world of sensory experiences from the world of concepts and propositions (1944, p. 289).
At any rate, no one who has offered a denial (Cziko, 1995), has given even a slightly plausible account of how material objects can be spontaneously forced to enter the realm of articulate and intelligent thought.
Quote: they will cover their eyes and ears, tell us we're wrong and keep believing in their bullshit. This thread therefore has no point.
I promise, i will not cover my eyes and ears, if you can answer above thougtfully, and convincingly. Please try.
(August 25, 2010 at 7:09 pm)TheDarkestOfAngels Wrote: You have yet to present any actual arguement or counter-arguement to anything we've presented to you that actually relies on experts or scientists.
Honestly. I think you don't even know what you believe. You believe, what you believe is true, because some experts or scientits said it. So it must be true. Thats blind faith. Do you realise that ? You have not been able, to explain in own words, what leads you to believe in ONE of the papers you presented. You simply failed. Thats why to debate you, is a waste of time. You make assertions, without back them up. Open your mind, and start to THINK. Thats my advice to you. Peace.
(August 25, 2010 at 6:51 pm)EvidenceVsFaith Wrote: There's evidence for evolution. You just have faith in your faith.
absolutely. I agree. I think microevolution ans speciation is true. It happens. What i do not believe, is in common ancestry. I don't think evidence leads to this direction.