By what you are saying, you think it is a good thing that the church is there forcing people to be good with threats. Well, if that's a good thing then screw the church the government should find a way to punish people for eternity and force everyone to swear allegiance to them and be good by their definition or suffer this punishment.
In saying that you beleive the church does good in forcing people to be good via threats of harm you are saying it is a good thing for any leader to do. I'll be honest here I find that absolutely repulsive and I hope you don't ever carry this idea onto parenting.
People pretending to be good because of a threat will only cause instability, petty crime and people reverting to terrorisim. It is an inhumane, unjust form of leadership that puts powerful people in command over the weak. Good people will do good and evil people will do evil, and evil people will NOT become good because you threaten to hurt them horribly if they don't. They will try to get around it, they will try to hurt you, and I won't blame them.
I have not once seen anything that would suggest to me that an evil person refrained from doing an act because of a threat or religion. In every case I've seen it done they acted as I said above, they rebelled, they fought back and they stole at every oppertunity they could get away with it.
And I never even touched that the extremely minor chance that christianity did prevent someone from doing evil, it also drives millions more to DO evil in it's name. And THAT is a fact I can back up with real situations, prop 8 banned gay marrage in Caifornia, USA not long ago. Religious hate causing thousands of good people to do an evil act, forcing others to do as they say because they say so. I doubt you can present evidence that religion prevents evil any any real way compared to the ammount of good people doing evil in the name of religion.
For those who want a short version of all that: Hate based systems of control create more hate. (and I have no idea how much of this post I actually want to keep but screw it I'm posting it anyways)
In saying that you beleive the church does good in forcing people to be good via threats of harm you are saying it is a good thing for any leader to do. I'll be honest here I find that absolutely repulsive and I hope you don't ever carry this idea onto parenting.
People pretending to be good because of a threat will only cause instability, petty crime and people reverting to terrorisim. It is an inhumane, unjust form of leadership that puts powerful people in command over the weak. Good people will do good and evil people will do evil, and evil people will NOT become good because you threaten to hurt them horribly if they don't. They will try to get around it, they will try to hurt you, and I won't blame them.
I have not once seen anything that would suggest to me that an evil person refrained from doing an act because of a threat or religion. In every case I've seen it done they acted as I said above, they rebelled, they fought back and they stole at every oppertunity they could get away with it.
And I never even touched that the extremely minor chance that christianity did prevent someone from doing evil, it also drives millions more to DO evil in it's name. And THAT is a fact I can back up with real situations, prop 8 banned gay marrage in Caifornia, USA not long ago. Religious hate causing thousands of good people to do an evil act, forcing others to do as they say because they say so. I doubt you can present evidence that religion prevents evil any any real way compared to the ammount of good people doing evil in the name of religion.
For those who want a short version of all that: Hate based systems of control create more hate. (and I have no idea how much of this post I actually want to keep but screw it I'm posting it anyways)
