Argument for atheism from necessary evil

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You're born imperfect/ none of us are perfect.

True, none of us are perfect, but I'm not aiming for perfection.

Ace: meet Adam & Eve.

Evidence of their existance would do lovely.

Erm... they're fictitious characters Ace

hence the need to wipe out bad stuff we do.

I don't believe you can wipe out bad things althogether but make up for it later on. You can over come many bad things in life but the many good things you do. Falling to your knees and hoping your invisible friend will solve your problems won't do anything.

I wasn't talking about the effectiveness but the desire. Sure, that's another form of sacrifice > paying back. See how you're doing what it's natural for people to do? Sure action speaks louder than words. I would think that action is more important in the majority of cases. You can't know that prayer is ineffective.

Learning to live with the imperfection is a way of dealing with it too.

I never think about imperfection or perfection. All that comes to my mind, is what I should do with the time I have. I do not strive for any afterlife, perfection, endless peace....ect. Because I know I cannot archive any of these. That doesn't mean I can't become more than I am and live my life to the full.

To aim for something you need a goal. Resigning yourself to failure is hardly inspirational. Because we want better, as you acknowledge, we strive for it > religion.

So... with the problem being turned around by the bad stuff being wiped out for you and you just having to accept that - is what being saved means.

I can take care of all the "bad stuff" in my life all on my own. Does this mean I am more capable than you because I don't need some kind of religion/god to do it for me?
I accept the bad side of things and overcome them. I don't need to be saved from anything.

You clearly don't because you already said you're ok with a lower standard. You deal with it by realising your inability and learning to live with that. God doesn't do it for you, it's your own choice to work with the flow or against it. Like an ignorant adolescent, you can choose defiance.

Hell is what's happening to you now if you carry around guilt/ stop yourself from fulfilling your potential.

Don't believe in hell.
I'm not carrying around any guilt. Also I don't see how I'm "stopping myself" from fulfilling my potential. I've done many things in life which some people would envy. I've piloted aircrafts, had oral sex with many girls, been on some old warships, out witted teachers when they tried to get me into detention, out ran everyone in high school, climbed small mountins in north wales..ect. I could go on and on. Yet I'm only 21 and still have many years yet to live. Where am I stopping myself from living to the full? I think I'm doing pretty well.

You don't care about pollution? About the feelings of those girls rather than referring to them as sex objects? The sadness of war? Justice? People who lost those races? (kudos for Wales ).