RE: Tentatively Christian; looking for a reasonable discussion
March 20, 2015 at 8:09 pm
(This post was last modified: March 20, 2015 at 8:10 pm by abentwookie.)
(March 20, 2015 at 7:33 pm)Delicate Wrote: I'm sorry, but almost everything here is absolute garbage so far as refuting the first-cause argument.
Argh... Okay, I didn't want to get into this discussion but I will make a brief post. I haven't really bothered to read through the previous posts about Kalam so I don't know if anyone has already addressed these issues.
If the argument is that everything that exists has to have a cause and the theist insists that the cause is God, this is how I would respond.
#1. For the sake of brevity, I will just accept the claim that "everything must have a cause" and avoid going down that path entirely.
#2. I will also accept the claim that the universe has a cause. However, if everything MUST have a cause, then what created God? What created the entity that created God? You get the idea. This creates an infinite regress and the only option the theist has is to claim that God didn't need a cause, which completely invalidates his entire argument. You can't claim that everything must have a cause and then say, "Oh wait, everything except...." That is special pleading. Kalam is based on a fundamentally flawed idea and is not a sound logical argument.
