RE: Reason for converting Good Christians
January 18, 2009 at 4:15 pm
(This post was last modified: January 18, 2009 at 4:21 pm by Demonaura.)
I don't think we're going to change our views much further. It seems to me that I put a lot more weight on the bad things the church does than you do. You seem to think that overall it does more good than bad, I look back and in every case I can think of those same good things will happen through secular means but, many of the bad things only happened because of religion motivation.
The loss of human rights, the destruction of the scientific process (compared to the off chance of being assulted on the street? what!?), and I will go ahead and mention 9/11 beause it was motivated by religion. No the average church wont create that man, but when millions of people sign a census, they create the powerbase. He would have been deemed insane for expecting 72 virgins if the majority weren't so busy worshiping their imaginary friend.
Overall I see no reason to keep religon around at all. I'm not even being specific with christianity right now, theistic beleifs overall have shown to have more bad than good in my eyes. The good, in every case (that I have seen) can come through secular means and much of the evil cannot. I apparently put much more weight on the bad things than you; and I definately cannot see your comparing the loss of human rights and loss of scientific process to random assult on the street. The scales are way off.
I say this because BOTH mean that religiously focused people control what our kids learn, and they are able to deny whoever they want human rights. This means the gradual loss of free thought for everyone, and a major screwup for our entire society. A world I'd rather not live in.
The loss of human rights for anyone for any reason to me, all by itself overshadows all the good things a church ever did.
Teaching random guesswork with 0 evidence as a scientific theory to our kids to me by itself by itself overshadows all the good things a church ever did.
The brainwashing of children, being taught to NEVER ever challenge what their parents tell them no matter what it is by itself overshadows all the good things a church ever did.
EDIT: I also agree with Luke up there, on every point I think. and I'm WAY off the topic.
The loss of human rights, the destruction of the scientific process (compared to the off chance of being assulted on the street? what!?), and I will go ahead and mention 9/11 beause it was motivated by religion. No the average church wont create that man, but when millions of people sign a census, they create the powerbase. He would have been deemed insane for expecting 72 virgins if the majority weren't so busy worshiping their imaginary friend.
Overall I see no reason to keep religon around at all. I'm not even being specific with christianity right now, theistic beleifs overall have shown to have more bad than good in my eyes. The good, in every case (that I have seen) can come through secular means and much of the evil cannot. I apparently put much more weight on the bad things than you; and I definately cannot see your comparing the loss of human rights and loss of scientific process to random assult on the street. The scales are way off.
I say this because BOTH mean that religiously focused people control what our kids learn, and they are able to deny whoever they want human rights. This means the gradual loss of free thought for everyone, and a major screwup for our entire society. A world I'd rather not live in.
The loss of human rights for anyone for any reason to me, all by itself overshadows all the good things a church ever did.
Teaching random guesswork with 0 evidence as a scientific theory to our kids to me by itself by itself overshadows all the good things a church ever did.
The brainwashing of children, being taught to NEVER ever challenge what their parents tell them no matter what it is by itself overshadows all the good things a church ever did.
EDIT: I also agree with Luke up there, on every point I think. and I'm WAY off the topic.
