(March 21, 2015 at 11:57 am)Parkers Tan Wrote:(March 21, 2015 at 5:00 am)RobertE Wrote: 1. Why do you think I introduced my cost with a conditional? "If" is such an important word.
This is irrelevant. Whether or not your conditional is granted, Mohammed's existence is not predicated on Islam's veracity. Asserting otherwise is a non sequitur.
(March 21, 2015 at 5:00 am)RobertE Wrote: 2. Did you actually read my introduction, if so, you would have noticed that I did clearly state that my knowledge is somewhat limited in this field and that is why I am here, to add my opinions to the debate, and if necessary, when corrected, to change and correct my facts with regards to the responses I got.
You wrote, "[b]I am sure[/b] he was thrown out for this exact reason and founded Islam after". I am asking why you state this, and with such certainty. You never did clarify what you meant, either. Would you mind doing so? Are you saying you think that Mohammed was Christian or Jew, married Aisha when she was nine, and was excommunicated?
I am asking you to clarify this point, and provide the basis for your certainty.
(March 21, 2015 at 7:49 am)Chuck Wrote: One shouldn't count pedophilia against someone if the practice was not out of ordinary in his society and time. In Many ancient cultural traditions both betrothal and consummation were expected to occur during the wife's and often husband's minority.
Slavery was once common practice too, with cruelty to one's slaves prescribed as a good means of control. Does that make the cruel master moral? Does that make the beneficent master moral?
I should think the Messenger of God would have a moral compass that was properly calibrated, no matter the culture of the time.
It depends on the tone of voice, I thought that was pretty obvious. You can say "I am sure", with an element of doubt. And why is it irrelevant, I introduced one statement with an "if." If you have a problem with English grammar, then that is not my fault. If is a small word with a large meaning, and whether I used a conditional or modal verb or what have you, it doesn't matter. The idea is for the other person to interpret it. You interpreted it wrongly to satisfy your own argument. Now, that I have said my piece, I will slip quietly away and have some fun.