RE: Tentatively Christian; looking for a reasonable discussion
March 21, 2015 at 1:46 pm
(This post was last modified: March 21, 2015 at 1:47 pm by Delicate.)
(March 21, 2015 at 1:34 pm)Esquilax Wrote:(March 21, 2015 at 1:22 pm)Delicate Wrote: The claim isn't "everything must have a cause" but "everything that begins to exist must have a cause." The sets of objects under discussion are different in both propositions.
And the fact that the "begins to exist" part was a lazy workaround addition to Kalam to avoid being asked the question "who created god?" doesn't bother you because...?
Was it really a lazy workaround? Do you know that? How do you know, through supernatural revelation? Aren't you just assuming bad faith and poisoning the discussion to start off with? Can you imagine being in a discussion with someone who believed differently, and suddenly they started making up shit and throwing accusations at you?
Once we go this route, we can't discuss the ideas themselves, because we're too busy smearing the people.
And that's too bad because all we end up with is shit on our hands.
Can we assume good faith on both sides of the issue, unless you know something is dishonest for a fact, and can prove it?
