Reason for converting Good Christians

[lukec]

With God and the church, the people are taught what God wants and are indoctrinated in concepts of what God wants and do not want, Good deeds and sin, righteousness and evil, rewards and punishment. These are concepts which have a prohibitive effect of them doing serial killing.

What can Atheism provide against it? A vague concept of morality? Or a rewards and punishment reality that you will be punished ONLY if you get caught?You are right that many atheists have a concept of morality in them, taught or in born. But you have to accept that many do not. What on Earth is there to stop them from doing crime if a situation of greater risk of rewards vs smaller risk of getting caught presents?

You actually think that it is moral to not do something only because someone is watching? Morality is not morality if it stems from an outside source- if you only do good things because you are afraid that someone is watching, then you are not good at all. You are as "good" as a robot which is programmed to do good things. If, on the other hand, you took a humanist view and try to be good because it is the right thing to do, then your morality flows from yourself.

If you substitute "God-fearing society" with "Dictator society" then you should see what I mean. If there were cameras everywhere, and could see everything everyone was doing at all times, this condition would erase the whole point of doing good/bad- the only reason people wouldn't commit crimes would be because they were being watched.

I personally am absolutely against the idea of a totally christian world. Although everyone would be united in one faith, it is just silly to assume all problems of crime would disappear. Frankly, you're being naive if you think religion is the cure for crime.

The assualted in the street is only one of many posiible scenario. Virtually anything, any crimes, anywhere are included. Like I have said, I will impose Christianity, which in most likely hoods are going to result in a better society. To me the ends justify the means.

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I will be willing to trade children's right to knowledge of evolution for a safer enviornment anyday.

Then I suggest you lock your children in an isolated jail where no one can hurt them and where you can watch over them at all times. Again, it is foolish to assume first of all that your religion is right, and second of all that it will actually do any good for people to have god. For thousands of years virtually all people everywhere believed in some sort of god, and still, oddly enough, crimes were committed. Even among your vaunted christian elite horrible crimes such as pedophilia come to pass, and are hidden from the public eye. Enforcing religion on everyone would more likely lead to a totalitarian state where there is no freedom than to this amazing crime-free world you for some reason imagine.

Christians do not go against science unnecessarily. They go against it ONLY when it clashes with the biblical teachings, and even then tries to go around them.

For example, the When it is implied in the bible Earth is 6000 years old, they now say each of the beginning days can represent an x period.

So virtually the ONLY area, or should I call it point, of science which they ddo not let pass is abiogenesis. This is just a speck in the whole area of science.

Of course they go against it only when it clashes with biblical teachings, why bother even pointing that out?

However, when you say that the only scientific point Christians are against is abiogenesis, you are flat wrong. Google evolution for me, you will quickly see that many of the posts are about how wrong evolution is. Or, look up the Omphalos argument, the idea that light from the distant stars was "Created" already on its way to earth. The bible contradicts much of science, and we can clearly see that science is actually backed up by evidence, which is why it is science. When creationists attack one part of science, they are attacking the scientific method, and science on a whole.