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Evidence god does not exist
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RE: Evidence god does not exist
Quote:For me this is a very real problem for theism. It has to assert that there is a part of existence that is unaccounted for and that the uni, multi, manyverse is not the totality of existence. This means we cannot in effect reason to god from analogy because analogies only work by reference to the totality of what we know exists. On the face of it this immediately rules out arguments from design and the cosmological arguments. Leaving ontological arguments (which is as close to you get to bootstrapping a god into existence by definition only), moral arguments (for which there are naturalist defeaters), tag type arguments (which seem poor) and personal experience (which outside of each individual carry little weight).

We will never know the mind of God, or how He reasons or thinks, how is that a problem?
Quote:If someone create the Universe, by higher probability is my grandma.

This may help you:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philosophy

Quote:Your view of a god is incoherent. If your god is all loving he will want all HIS creation to freely join him in fellowship. HE has created a situation where it is a reasonable position to have unbelief, and as such if god esxisted he should provide better evidence for his existence. I doubt the creator of the universe has such an uneasy vanity that he couldn't overlook a bit of name calling. So the question remains for an all loving god, who is perfect in every way and wants all of us to join him freely in fellowship, why doesn't he give us an unambiguous indication of his existence. I would argue that is becuase he isn't there - the hiddenness of the divine is a major problem for theism.

Everyone has freedom of choice, if you follow FSM, then thats good for you, God most likely wont stop you.
So what sought of evidence are you looking for? A video of God on youtube?
Although some/most atheists dont see the point of theology, theology has shaped their own perception on how they view life and God (if He does exist) You either think of God as this hippy who draws love hearts and smokes weed and says, 'Hey man, follow me, I love you.' or. dont follow me, you are going to burn in hell forever!'

These two concepts which arent even backed up by theology of what Paul wrote or is in the gosphels.

What if God didnt really care about an atheist who questioned His existence?
Quote:Then how do we judge anything, decide on anything, Cap'n Scarlet? All we have is our subjective experience, nothing more.

He cant. Our senses and reasoning are the only way to get to the Truth (or at least close to it).

Im in between an Empiricist and a Rationalist.

One cannot deny what our senses tell our brain.
Its ok to have doubt, just dont let that doubt become the answers.

You dont hate God, you hate the church game.

"God is not what you imagine or what you think you understand. If you understand you have failed." Saint Augustine

Your mind works very simply: you are either trying to find out what are God's laws in order to follow them; or you are trying to outsmart Him. -Martin H. Fischer
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Evidence god does not exist - by Captain Scarlet - August 22, 2010 at 4:11 pm
RE: Evidence god does not exist - by Tiberius - August 22, 2010 at 4:52 pm
RE: Evidence god does not exist - by Captain Scarlet - August 22, 2010 at 5:20 pm
RE: Evidence god does not exist - by Shinylight - August 22, 2010 at 4:54 pm
RE: Evidence god does not exist - by Paul the Human - August 22, 2010 at 5:08 pm
RE: Evidence god does not exist - by Edwardo Piet - August 22, 2010 at 5:56 pm
RE: Evidence god does not exist - by Minimalist - August 22, 2010 at 8:30 pm
RE: Evidence god does not exist - by annatar - August 23, 2010 at 2:29 am
RE: Evidence god does not exist - by DiRNiS - August 23, 2010 at 3:18 am
RE: Evidence god does not exist - by annatar - August 23, 2010 at 3:56 am
RE: Evidence god does not exist - by everythingafter - August 29, 2010 at 11:21 pm
RE: Evidence god does not exist - by Edwardo Piet - August 23, 2010 at 3:57 am
RE: Evidence god does not exist - by The Omnissiunt One - August 23, 2010 at 4:57 am
RE: Evidence god does not exist - by Edwardo Piet - August 23, 2010 at 5:03 am
RE: Evidence god does not exist - by The Omnissiunt One - August 23, 2010 at 5:09 am
RE: Evidence god does not exist - by Edwardo Piet - August 23, 2010 at 5:12 am
RE: Evidence god does not exist - by The Omnissiunt One - August 23, 2010 at 5:19 am
RE: Evidence god does not exist - by Edwardo Piet - August 23, 2010 at 6:03 am
RE: Evidence god does not exist - by The Omnissiunt One - August 23, 2010 at 8:07 am
RE: Evidence god does not exist - by Edwardo Piet - August 23, 2010 at 11:54 am
RE: Evidence god does not exist - by fr0d0 - August 23, 2010 at 3:41 pm
RE: Evidence god does not exist - by theVOID - August 26, 2010 at 11:20 pm
RE: Evidence god does not exist - by fr0d0 - August 27, 2010 at 7:39 pm
RE: Evidence god does not exist - by Edwardo Piet - August 24, 2010 at 4:03 am
RE: Evidence god does not exist - by fr0d0 - August 24, 2010 at 12:41 pm
RE: Evidence god does not exist - by Edwardo Piet - August 25, 2010 at 5:22 am
RE: Evidence god does not exist - by Captain Scarlet - August 25, 2010 at 9:57 am
RE: Evidence god does not exist - by Edwardo Piet - August 25, 2010 at 12:00 pm
RE: Evidence god does not exist - by The Omnissiunt One - August 24, 2010 at 6:11 pm
RE: Evidence god does not exist - by Captain Scarlet - August 24, 2010 at 10:11 pm
RE: Evidence god does not exist - by Captain Scarlet - August 25, 2010 at 2:20 pm
RE: Evidence god does not exist - by CRAPSTIANITY-SHITSLAM - August 26, 2010 at 8:09 pm
RE: Evidence god does not exist - by AngelThMan - August 26, 2010 at 9:44 pm
RE: Evidence god does not exist - by Edwardo Piet - August 27, 2010 at 4:16 am
RE: Evidence god does not exist - by Minimalist - August 26, 2010 at 9:52 pm
RE: Evidence god does not exist - by padraic - August 26, 2010 at 9:55 pm
RE: Evidence god does not exist - by Minimalist - August 26, 2010 at 11:24 pm
RE: Evidence god does not exist - by AngelThMan - August 27, 2010 at 11:37 pm
RE: Evidence god does not exist - by Paul the Human - August 28, 2010 at 9:09 am
RE: Evidence god does not exist - by AngelThMan - August 28, 2010 at 11:15 pm
RE: Evidence god does not exist - by Captain Scarlet - August 29, 2010 at 5:49 am
RE: Evidence god does not exist - by CRAPSTIANITY-SHITSLAM - August 27, 2010 at 9:43 am
RE: Evidence god does not exist - by The Omnissiunt One - August 28, 2010 at 10:24 am
RE: Evidence god does not exist - by Watson - August 28, 2010 at 10:45 am
RE: Evidence god does not exist - by Captain Scarlet - August 28, 2010 at 5:49 pm
RE: Evidence god does not exist - by Watson - August 28, 2010 at 6:02 pm
RE: Evidence god does not exist - by Captain Scarlet - August 28, 2010 at 6:06 pm
RE: Evidence god does not exist - by Watson - August 28, 2010 at 6:11 pm
RE: Evidence god does not exist - by Captain Scarlet - August 28, 2010 at 6:17 pm
RE: Evidence god does not exist - by Watson - August 28, 2010 at 6:31 pm
RE: Evidence god does not exist - by Captain Scarlet - August 28, 2010 at 6:36 pm
RE: Evidence god does not exist - by Watson - August 28, 2010 at 6:39 pm
RE: Evidence god does not exist - by Captain Scarlet - August 28, 2010 at 6:44 pm
RE: Evidence god does not exist - by Watson - August 29, 2010 at 7:58 am
RE: Evidence god does not exist - by Zen Badger - August 29, 2010 at 9:47 am
RE: Evidence god does not exist - by Paul the Human - August 29, 2010 at 8:06 am
RE: Evidence god does not exist - by Watson - August 29, 2010 at 8:47 am
RE: Evidence god does not exist - by Watson - August 29, 2010 at 10:06 am
RE: Evidence god does not exist - by Disinter - August 29, 2010 at 10:16 am
RE: Evidence god does not exist - by Captain Scarlet - August 29, 2010 at 10:46 am
RE: Evidence god does not exist - by Zen Badger - August 30, 2010 at 9:51 am
RE: Evidence god does not exist - by Paul the Human - August 29, 2010 at 10:14 am
RE: Evidence god does not exist - by Watson - August 29, 2010 at 10:20 am
RE: Evidence god does not exist - by Disinter - August 29, 2010 at 9:29 pm
RE: Evidence god does not exist - by Watson - August 30, 2010 at 11:44 am
RE: Evidence god does not exist - by Paul the Human - August 29, 2010 at 10:26 am
RE: Evidence god does not exist - by Watson - August 29, 2010 at 10:35 am
RE: Evidence god does not exist - by Paul the Human - August 29, 2010 at 10:45 am
RE: Evidence god does not exist - by Watson - August 29, 2010 at 10:52 am
RE: Evidence god does not exist - by Paul the Human - August 29, 2010 at 10:58 am
RE: Evidence god does not exist - by Watson - August 29, 2010 at 11:05 am
RE: Evidence god does not exist - by Paul the Human - August 29, 2010 at 11:15 am
RE: Evidence god does not exist - by Captain Scarlet - August 29, 2010 at 11:25 am
RE: Evidence god does not exist - by Watson - August 29, 2010 at 11:23 am
RE: Evidence god does not exist - by Paul the Human - August 29, 2010 at 11:32 am
RE: Evidence god does not exist - by Watson - August 29, 2010 at 11:34 am
RE: Evidence god does not exist - by Paul the Human - August 29, 2010 at 11:42 am
RE: Evidence god does not exist - by Captain Scarlet - August 29, 2010 at 1:58 pm
RE: Evidence god does not exist - by Watson - August 29, 2010 at 2:04 pm
RE: Evidence god does not exist - by Minimalist - August 29, 2010 at 3:42 pm
RE: Evidence god does not exist - by solja247 - August 30, 2010 at 12:10 am
RE: Evidence god does not exist - by Minimalist - August 30, 2010 at 1:43 am
RE: Evidence god does not exist - by Scarface - August 30, 2010 at 9:55 am
RE: Evidence god does not exist - by Captain Scarlet - August 30, 2010 at 4:44 pm
RE: Evidence god does not exist - by Watson - August 30, 2010 at 5:05 pm
RE: Evidence god does not exist - by Captain Scarlet - August 31, 2010 at 6:36 pm
RE: Evidence god does not exist - by Disinter - August 31, 2010 at 7:09 pm
RE: Evidence god does not exist - by solja247 - August 31, 2010 at 7:29 pm
RE: Evidence god does not exist - by Minimalist - August 31, 2010 at 7:40 pm
RE: Evidence god does not exist - by solja247 - August 31, 2010 at 7:45 pm
RE: Evidence god does not exist - by Captain Scarlet - September 2, 2010 at 11:50 am
RE: Evidence god does not exist - by Minimalist - August 31, 2010 at 7:47 pm

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