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Mind Over Matter?
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Mind Over Matter?
As far as I can see there are two possibilities of how consciousness relates to the brain:

1. That it is the mirror image of processing in the physical neural networks of the brain and is therefore superfluous. It could just as easily be there as not because all the 'calculations' are performed by the underlying physical hardware.
2. It is more of a 'black box' that is an actual processing element in the brain and therefore 'interfaces' with the physical hardware in some way. In its other plane of existence, whatever that may be, it can perform processing that cannot be achieved by the neural networks alone. In this idea if (some of) the neural networks of the brain were essentially relegated to the roles of input and memory only, their data would be 'set' by processing in this other plane and a hypothetical examination of the brain would show changes in value seemingly inexplicable.

I'd love to hear which, if any of these ideas people would think most likely, or of any other possibilities I haven't considered. I'm a hard determinist so I would lean towards the first one because the second is a bit more 'soul-like'. But I can't discount the second because the nature of our 'qualia' seems to only be useful if experienced as it is i.e. colour as a labelling system allows for pattern recognition in a way that I can't see any neural network being capable of - and I am very much interested in neuroscience and understand how neural networks work. To me it seems that purely physical evolution could only get so far with the processing of light based sensory data before it came to a dead end, one that consciousness might be able to overcome if number 2 was right. But then you come to the problem of how consciousness could 'evolve' if it was not entirely dependent on the brain, but that's for another day Wink

I realise my number two might come across as an argument for the soul but it is not meant that way. The way I envisage the mind is essentially virtual reality software running in the supercomputer that is the brain. Therefore in some weird way it is not necessarily that the processing in that program is happening on another plane but rather that it has been abstracted away from the raw data in much the same way as a high level programming language abstracts away from the pure machine code - in the end machine code runs but the high level, object orientated languages, give it an abstract and understandable meaning.
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Mind Over Matter? - by emjay - April 4, 2015 at 7:28 pm
RE: Mind Over Matter? - by The Grand Nudger - April 4, 2015 at 7:49 pm
RE: Mind Over Matter? - by emjay - April 4, 2015 at 8:44 pm
RE: Mind Over Matter? - by The Grand Nudger - April 4, 2015 at 8:49 pm
RE: Mind Over Matter? - by emjay - April 5, 2015 at 6:20 am
RE: Mind Over Matter? - by The Grand Nudger - April 5, 2015 at 6:46 am
RE: Mind Over Matter? - by emjay - April 5, 2015 at 7:07 am
RE: Mind Over Matter? - by The Grand Nudger - April 5, 2015 at 7:17 am
RE: Mind Over Matter? - by Brian37 - April 5, 2015 at 8:00 am
RE: Mind Over Matter? - by bennyboy - April 4, 2015 at 10:11 pm
RE: Mind Over Matter? - by emjay - April 5, 2015 at 6:48 am
RE: Mind Over Matter? - by JuliaL - April 5, 2015 at 2:29 am
RE: Mind Over Matter? - by emjay - April 5, 2015 at 8:37 am
RE: Mind Over Matter? - by Silver - April 5, 2015 at 2:48 am
RE: Mind Over Matter? - by Alex K - April 5, 2015 at 2:58 am
RE: Mind Over Matter? - by bennyboy - April 5, 2015 at 3:02 am
RE: Mind Over Matter? - by Alex K - April 5, 2015 at 6:28 am
RE: Mind Over Matter? - by bennyboy - April 5, 2015 at 8:14 am
RE: Mind Over Matter? - by Alex K - April 5, 2015 at 10:27 am
RE: Mind Over Matter? - by bennyboy - April 5, 2015 at 12:34 pm
RE: Mind Over Matter? - by emjay - April 5, 2015 at 4:33 pm
RE: Mind Over Matter? - by Whateverist - April 10, 2015 at 7:22 pm
RE: Mind Over Matter? - by Mudhammam - April 5, 2015 at 3:08 am
RE: Mind Over Matter? - by Brian37 - April 5, 2015 at 6:32 am
RE: Mind Over Matter? - by The Grand Nudger - April 5, 2015 at 6:56 am
RE: Mind Over Matter? - by emjay - April 5, 2015 at 7:19 am
RE: Mind Over Matter? - by The Grand Nudger - April 5, 2015 at 7:25 am
RE: Mind Over Matter? - by emjay - April 5, 2015 at 7:47 am
RE: Mind Over Matter? - by The Grand Nudger - April 5, 2015 at 9:20 am
RE: Mind Over Matter? - by emjay - April 5, 2015 at 9:59 am
RE: Mind Over Matter? - by JuliaL - April 5, 2015 at 10:35 am
RE: Mind Over Matter? - by The Grand Nudger - April 5, 2015 at 10:13 am
RE: Mind Over Matter? - by emjay - April 5, 2015 at 10:41 am
RE: Mind Over Matter? - by The Grand Nudger - April 5, 2015 at 10:56 am
RE: Mind Over Matter? - by emjay - April 5, 2015 at 11:21 am
RE: Mind Over Matter? - by The Grand Nudger - April 5, 2015 at 11:41 am
RE: Mind Over Matter? - by Angrboda - April 5, 2015 at 12:29 pm
RE: Mind Over Matter? - by bennyboy - April 5, 2015 at 7:26 pm
RE: Mind Over Matter? - by emjay - April 6, 2015 at 7:17 am
RE: Mind Over Matter? - by The Grand Nudger - April 6, 2015 at 8:11 am
RE: Mind Over Matter? - by emjay - April 7, 2015 at 8:19 am
RE: Mind Over Matter? - by bennyboy - April 7, 2015 at 8:22 am
RE: Mind Over Matter? - by Neo-Scholastic - April 7, 2015 at 12:34 pm
RE: Mind Over Matter? - by Neo-Scholastic - April 7, 2015 at 10:25 am
RE: Mind Over Matter? - by The Grand Nudger - April 7, 2015 at 10:26 am
RE: Mind Over Matter? - by bennyboy - April 9, 2015 at 10:03 pm
RE: Mind Over Matter? - by The Grand Nudger - April 7, 2015 at 12:45 pm
RE: Mind Over Matter? - by Neo-Scholastic - April 7, 2015 at 1:54 pm
RE: Mind Over Matter? - by Mudhammam - April 9, 2015 at 6:02 pm
RE: Mind Over Matter? - by Neo-Scholastic - April 9, 2015 at 7:53 pm
RE: Mind Over Matter? - by The Grand Nudger - April 9, 2015 at 6:05 pm
RE: Mind Over Matter? - by The Grand Nudger - April 9, 2015 at 7:55 pm
RE: Mind Over Matter? - by Neo-Scholastic - April 9, 2015 at 8:33 pm
RE: Mind Over Matter? - by The Grand Nudger - April 9, 2015 at 11:41 pm
RE: Mind Over Matter? - by bennyboy - April 10, 2015 at 9:42 am
RE: Mind Over Matter? - by Mudhammam - April 10, 2015 at 12:29 pm
RE: Mind Over Matter? - by bennyboy - April 10, 2015 at 6:24 pm
RE: Mind Over Matter? - by Mudhammam - April 10, 2015 at 9:17 pm
RE: Mind Over Matter? - by Neo-Scholastic - April 10, 2015 at 9:49 pm
RE: Mind Over Matter? - by Mudhammam - April 11, 2015 at 2:03 am
RE: Mind Over Matter? - by JuliaL - April 10, 2015 at 10:51 pm
RE: Mind Over Matter? - by The Grand Nudger - April 11, 2015 at 8:22 am
RE: Mind Over Matter? - by bennyboy - April 11, 2015 at 8:14 pm
RE: Mind Over Matter? - by The Grand Nudger - April 11, 2015 at 9:12 pm
RE: Mind Over Matter? - by bennyboy - April 11, 2015 at 9:38 pm
RE: Mind Over Matter? - by The Grand Nudger - April 12, 2015 at 7:26 am
RE: Mind Over Matter? - by bennyboy - April 12, 2015 at 8:27 am
RE: Mind Over Matter? - by KichigaiNeko - April 12, 2015 at 7:39 am
RE: Mind Over Matter? - by The Grand Nudger - April 12, 2015 at 8:23 am
RE: Mind Over Matter? - by The Grand Nudger - April 12, 2015 at 8:43 am
RE: Mind Over Matter? - by The Grand Nudger - April 12, 2015 at 9:11 am

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