(April 4, 2015 at 7:49 pm)Rhythm Wrote: 1. I do't think that an explanation of mirror-of-process would make mind superfluous. I don't see how, if it were a mirror, it could just as easily be there as not. It would have to be there, if that was the process. If it weren't there....we'd notice the difference, like we notice the difference(s) between a rock and a human being.
2. What sort of processing are you thinking of, that couldn't be achieved by a nn? We talking traditional problems...or something more eclectic? I think that "qualia" has become the new "quantum".
On what grounds are we to judge the likelihood of either, and what would we hope to draw from that? Just wondering, so I can try to answer more specifically.
Okay, by mirror what I mean is every single thing that we experience in consciousness, and every single thing that we think we're doing in consciousness - choosing to think a thought, thinking that thought, identifying an object in our visual field etc - is actually accomplished in the neural networks alone and for reasons unknown it is also simultaneously 'presented' in the form of consciousness but take that consciousness away and our behaviour would be exactly the same, including with reports of conscious experience (I guess).
As for the neural processing it's complicated and a long time since I thought about it in detail. But the gist is that pattern recognition that makes use of the notions of space and colour would need both to be represented in neural form. Colour comes in in the essentially RGB format but what to do with it after that? One neuron per possible colour? I think unlikely. More likely is that it stays in its RGB form but then it is just an array of values that I can't see anything being able to detect the patterns we see in consciousness - for instance if you looked at the the binary code of a digitised painting you would not see the same patterns as looking at it as a painting.
As for the grounds of judgment I just meant a personal opinion. If I'm in the wrong forum please let me know. I didn't mean this so much as an exercise in logic but just in opinions and ideas.
Anyway, if you reply I won't be able to reply tonight as it's nearly 2am and I need some sleep. So, good night
