(April 5, 2015 at 2:15 am)Heywood Wrote:(April 5, 2015 at 12:36 am)Esquilax Wrote: The other problem is that this "just go and find another X to serve you," line of reasoning fails to take into account the point of anti-discrimination law, which is to protect everyone. What if there isn't another X? If you're in a small town within a state and the only doctor in town refuses to see you because you're gay, what do you do? Move? What if you're in a large but conservative town, and everyone refuses to see you because you're gay? Move? Does any of that seem reasonable?
Perhaps you can provide some evidence that there are wide spread instances where gays are not getting photo services, or wedding cake services, or health care simply because they are gay. Perhaps you can provide some evidence that there is actually a problem that needs to be addressed. A problem that is so serious, it requires gutting every person's individual freedom.
Clearly someone is too busy shrilly exaggerating what's going on here ("gutting every person's individual freedom") to have ever visited the south.

How about this: the moment you can provide a reason why the character of a customer is germane in any way to a business' purview to supply goods and services, that is readily demonstrable and not at all reliant on unverified religious dogma, then we'll talk about evidence. Until then, don't you dare pretend that discrimination against gays doesn't exist, nor that you have some kind of high ground in terms of justification.

Quote:If we are to limit peoples freedom on possible rare occurrences....we should then ban same sex marriages because some of them are going to be entered into for fraudulent reasons. I'm not advocating that. I am showing how stupid your argument is when you don't back it up with anything that shows there is a real problem which needs to be fixed.
Except discrimination against gays is not a "rare occurrence," and you'd have to be either ignorant or dishonest to state otherwise.
Quote:The reality is, you just want to force people to behave the way you want them to behave for no good reason other than you think that is the way they should behave.
Yes, you keep telling me what I think. Nothing arrogant about that at all.

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