(January 20, 2009 at 12:45 pm)Ephrium Wrote: As Demonura mentioned, we have our own biasedness injected in our arguments. My life experiences tells me a moderate Christian society(As what most churches are nowadays in western societies) is a better society. You all may differ with your experiences and this is not really up to mathematical debating.I do partly agree with this part, however, I'd say that it is very much up to "mathematical debating". Showing that a higher proportion of inmates in prison are christians/believers rather than atheists is a very significant debating point if discussing the pros & cons of a religious life vs an atheist one.
Personal experience can make you think something is better/worse when in actual fact the opposite is true. Just because something is "obvious" to you doesn't mean it is right (and vice versa).
(January 20, 2009 at 12:45 pm)Ephrium Wrote: Just an example, once I had to be in a particular place with a group of people. There was one very very big sized guy at about 160 kg or 350pds.He was going around, practically scolding people as and when he wished. None of the other people dared to get into trouble with him.You know this big guy's upbringing to say he hasn't had the same "christian" schooling as you have had? You seem to be assuming because he isn't nice he must be an atheist.

Although, I have to say, "He was going around, practically scolding people as and when he wished." made me chuckle a bit because that sounds quite like what a priest does in church?

(January 20, 2009 at 12:45 pm)Ephrium Wrote: All these I havent had a taste of in my Christian setting.You can't say "put aside ideologies" then ask an ideologically based question!
Tell me then, put aside ideologies for a moment. Have more genuine Christians in your life given you unreasonable trouble or more Atheists?

Each of the "nasty atheists" you seem to have ran into in your life I'm sure there is an equally "good" atheist to balance it all out. Just as there will be as many nasy theists as there are good ones you spend your time with.
I'm a nice guy. I'm helpful if someone needs help, friendly & cheerful, all that without a god in my life. You seem to be trying to say I can't be...