(April 9, 2015 at 6:43 pm)MysticKnight Wrote:(April 9, 2015 at 6:35 pm)Surgenator Wrote: No, objective goodness is delusional.G oodness itself is not a delusion. Goodness is a set of rules a society agrees to follow for their benefit.
So if a society agree rape is good (for example, the army of the mongols), then it's good, because it benefits them? If a society decide to conquer another nation for goods or spice, it's then good? Also society teaches goodness has an objective goodness, so they have decided it's objective. If a society decides you must worship a pantheon of gods, it's good to do so?
Please don't assume it is as simple on what a group of people decided. What is good has to be beneficial to the society. So creating a rule for worshipping a non-existent entity doesn't make it good.
When you have two societies interacting, then there is a larger society with two players. So what is good would benefits both of them.
Quote:Quote: If there was some objective good, then everyone would be able to agree on what is good.
What's your proof of that? It seems to me to be like an unsupported assertion and misses out on one of the realities of goodness is coming in line with objective goodness as much as possible with our own degree of sight and judgement.
Do you see anything wrong with this argument?
1. Beauty to be objective, cannot be arbitrary.
2. Objective beauty exists (assumption).
3. If a Creator can decide/create what is beauty, then beauty would be arbitrary.
4. Therefore a Creator cannot create objective beauty.
5. If a Creator cannot create objective beauty, then nothing can, including evolution, as a Creator can create beauty
6. Therefore objective beauty is eternal.
7. Beauty is not separate from consciousness.
8. Therefore consciousness is eternal.
9. Ultimate beauty is included in definition of objective beauty.
10. Therefore Ultimate beauty exists eternally.
You should. It uses an arbitrary aspects of people's desires and tries to concludes that there is an objective one. Notice, I used your arguments with very minor substitutions (goodness -> beauty). I could of also pick any arbitrary quality. So you got to ask yourself if there is exist an objective quality for any arbitrary quality I come up with. Do you think there is an objective "Surgenatorness"?
