RE: The Philosophy of Salah/Daily Connection/Prayer
April 9, 2015 at 10:32 pm
(This post was last modified: April 9, 2015 at 10:33 pm by Surgenator.)
(April 9, 2015 at 8:21 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: I think we are having a good conversation. So let's keep it up.
I think to all the positives there exists negatives.
Praise itself cannot be arbitrary, while, we humans may define things to our experience of these things.
Now I think for sexiness, God can create it arbitrarily, as he does in different species. So because it is connected to the mind, it doesn't mean God could not create it arbitrarily. For example, there is a bird in which the males get together and dance, and then the females all just pick just one who dances better, and all the rest of the males don't mate while that one male mates.
Therefore we can know sexiness can be arbitrarily decided by God. I however in the opinion through a mystic taste, that everything experienced is a manifestation of the divine, either manifesting a degree what is with him or to degree what is not with him but having the opposite.
If God can make sexiness arbitrary, he can make beauty arbitrary. If god can make beauty arbitrary, he can make (wait for it .......) goodness arbitrary.
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Quote:There are too many conclusions that you've made on a false premisses. So I don't want to address everyone of them and instead focus on the false premise.
Quote:If we define morality as simply what is helpful to society with no reality goodness and evil, then how do we praise the good and condemn the evil?
Ah, we praise and condemn the same way we always do.
Quote:What about honesty and truthfulness? What about sincerity and being respectful?
What about degrees of actions?...what about degrees of intentions?
No idea what your asking here.
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(April 9, 2015 at 7:53 pm)Surgenator Wrote: The heart of your argument is faulty because you're conflating application of a concept to the past to it existing in the past. A mind can always judge the past by some standard, that doesn't mean that standard existed in the past.
You have to explain what you mean by this, I don't get it. What premise in the argument do you dispute now? Is was 2 in the beginning but what premise do you dispute now?
I'm pointing out that concepts cannot be eternal since they depend on minds. Concepts only exist in minds. If all the minds are gone, all the concepts are gone. A mind can apply a concept to any time period. So if I apply my standard of beauty to the 17th century, that doesn't mean my standard of beauty existed in the 17th century. Application of a concept does not mean existence of that concept in that time period.