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You're Still An Asshole, Lady
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RE: You're Still An Asshole, Lady
(April 11, 2015 at 10:06 am)Heywood Wrote:
(April 10, 2015 at 11:24 pm)Pyrrho Wrote: Your understanding is completely wrong.  There are no good peer-reviewed studies that suggest that.  (Notice, there are two adjectives for the word "studies" in the previous sentence.)  There was a study that suggested that some years back, but it was not a good study, and it was retracted.  Yet the anti-vaccine idiots still refer to it, even though it has been totally discredited.

There is NO good evidence that vaccines affect autism.

Here is a study from 2011.  

http://omsj.org/reports/tomljenovic%202011.pdf

Is this the one you are talking about?  If not this must not be a good study.  Why isn't it any good?

I doubt that vaccines cause autism.  I would recommend that all parents get their kids vaccinated so I am not arguing against vaccines.  I am arguing that just because a parent does not get their kids vaccinated does not automatically mean they are idiots....as suggested by Sionnach  Suppose the woman relied upon the above study and concluded that because everyone else around her is vaccinated, it is unlikely her kids will contract a contagious disease.  Why risk, the allergic reaction, the small possibility it causes autism, etc when you can just free roll off everyone else?

No, that is not the one to which I was referring.  Regarding that one, you might want to research the journal in which it is published, as there are many bogus journals these days that will publish pretty much anything for a price.  (You can also buy a Ph.D. from bogus schools.)

Here are some links with recommended material:

http://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/concerns/autism/

http://cid.oxfordjournals.org/content/48/4/456.full

http://www.webmd.com/brain/autism/search...nes-autism

http://www.autismsciencefoundation.org/a...cines.html


This is a link to an article mentioning the study to which I was referring that was published in The Lancet that got a lot of people worked up:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MMR_vaccine_controversy

Here is a relevant quote:
  • The MMR vaccine controversy started with the 1998 publication of a fraudulent research paper in the medical journal The Lancet that lent support to the later discredited claim that colitis and autism spectrum disorders are linked to the combined measles, mumps and rubella (MMR) vaccine.[1] The media have been criticized for their naïve reporting and for lending undue credibility to the architect of the fraud, Andrew Wakefield.
  • Investigations by Sunday Times journalist Brian Deer reported that Andrew Wakefield, the author of the original research paper, had multiple undeclared conflicts of interest,[2][3] had manipulated evidence,[4] and had broken other ethical codes. The Lancet paper was partially retracted in 2004, and fully retracted in 2010, when The Lancet's editor-in-chief Richard Horton described it as "utterly false" and said that the journal had been "deceived."[5] Wakefield was found guilty by the General Medical Council of serious professional misconduct in May 2010 and was struck off the Medical Register, meaning he could no longer practice as a doctor in the UK.[6] In 2011, Deer provided further information on Wakefield's improper research practices to the British medical journal, BMJ, which in a signed editorial described the original paper as fraudulent.[7][8] The scientific consensus is that no evidence links the MMR vaccine to the development of autism, and that this vaccine's benefits greatly outweigh its risks.
The matter has been thoroughly researched at this point, because people originally took that article seriously (as The Lancet does not normally publish such worthless junk; or, rather, in this case, something worse than worthless), and so scientists investigated the matter.  Governments did not wait for the new studies, and took action to have possibly objectionable materials removed from vaccines (which, as it turns out, were not problematic).  They were, in fact, being extremely cautious and very responsible in doing that, but being extra careful got more people to believe that those materials were really a problem, but, as I have already stated, it has been thoroughly investigated and it was unnecessary to remove the materials from the vaccines (see links above).

At this point, believing that vaccines cause autism is akin to believing the earth is flat.

"A wise man ... proportions his belief to the evidence."
— David Hume, An Enquiry Concerning Human Understanding, Section X, Part I.
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Messages In This Thread
You're Still An Asshole, Lady - by Minimalist - April 10, 2015 at 7:32 pm
RE: You're Still An Asshole, Lady - by Alex K - April 10, 2015 at 7:34 pm
RE: You're Still An Asshole, Lady - by Paraselene - April 10, 2015 at 7:35 pm
RE: You're Still An Asshole, Lady - by Heywood - April 10, 2015 at 9:31 pm
RE: You're Still An Asshole, Lady - by Darkstar - April 10, 2015 at 10:49 pm
RE: You're Still An Asshole, Lady - by Heywood - April 10, 2015 at 11:12 pm
RE: You're Still An Asshole, Lady - by Pyrrho - April 10, 2015 at 11:24 pm
RE: You're Still An Asshole, Lady - by Heywood - April 11, 2015 at 10:06 am
RE: You're Still An Asshole, Lady - by Pyrrho - April 11, 2015 at 11:28 am
RE: You're Still An Asshole, Lady - by Fidel_Castronaut - April 11, 2015 at 8:12 pm
RE: You're Still An Asshole, Lady - by Esquilax - April 11, 2015 at 12:16 pm
RE: You're Still An Asshole, Lady - by Pyrrho - April 10, 2015 at 7:41 pm
RE: You're Still An Asshole, Lady - by Thumpalumpacus - April 10, 2015 at 7:45 pm
RE: You're Still An Asshole, Lady - by Exian - April 10, 2015 at 7:46 pm
RE: You're Still An Asshole, Lady - by Minimalist - April 10, 2015 at 8:36 pm
RE: You're Still An Asshole, Lady - by Pyrrho - April 10, 2015 at 11:07 pm
RE: You're Still An Asshole, Lady - by Heywood - April 11, 2015 at 10:22 am
RE: You're Still An Asshole, Lady - by Thumpalumpacus - April 11, 2015 at 12:02 pm
RE: You're Still An Asshole, Lady - by Ravenshire - April 11, 2015 at 12:17 pm
RE: You're Still An Asshole, Lady - by LastPoet - April 11, 2015 at 10:10 am
RE: You're Still An Asshole, Lady - by LastPoet - April 11, 2015 at 10:32 am
RE: You're Still An Asshole, Lady - by Heywood - April 11, 2015 at 10:34 am
RE: You're Still An Asshole, Lady - by dyresand - April 11, 2015 at 11:22 am
RE: You're Still An Asshole, Lady - by Ravenshire - April 11, 2015 at 11:57 am
RE: You're Still An Asshole, Lady - by Pyrrho - April 11, 2015 at 12:19 pm
RE: You're Still An Asshole, Lady - by Heywood - April 11, 2015 at 2:49 pm
RE: You're Still An Asshole, Lady - by Fidel_Castronaut - April 11, 2015 at 8:30 pm
RE: You're Still An Asshole, Lady - by Sterben - April 11, 2015 at 9:56 pm
RE: You're Still An Asshole, Lady - by Ravenshire - April 12, 2015 at 10:36 pm
RE: You're Still An Asshole, Lady - by Esquilax - April 12, 2015 at 10:49 pm
RE: You're Still An Asshole, Lady - by The Valkyrie - April 12, 2015 at 10:50 pm

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