Our server costs ~$56 per month to run. Please consider donating or becoming a Patron to help keep the site running. Help us gain new members by following us on Twitter and liking our page on Facebook!
Current time: July 25, 2025, 2:58 pm

Thread Rating:
  • 0 Vote(s) - 0 Average
  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
Majority of Americans support gay rights over religious freedom bills
#24
RE: Majority of Americans support gay rights over religious freedom bills
(April 16, 2015 at 11:47 pm)Hatshepsut Wrote:
(April 16, 2015 at 9:35 pm)Esquilax Wrote: Do you have any idea how sociopathic you sound when you say things like this? This argument is one of the most immoral justifications for a law I've ever heard: "Oh, this group hasn't suffered enough to be worth protection yet." What that means is that you've quantified injustice...

O dear, I hope I'm not turning into a psychopath! Since I've covered a lot in my posts answering DeistPaladin (see above), I won't say too much here. There is a general principle in operation, however:

A law which compensates, protects, or rewards one group usually does so at the expense of other groups or of the common welfare. There's simply no way around it. I've provided some examples above. Pressure groups within a society are hardly friends with each other; they seek accommodation at best, selfish advantage at mean, and the destruction of other groups at worst. Identity politics is ugly by nature. That doesn't mean we should never pass laws addressing current issues of social equality, for instance allowing same-sex marriage. It does behoove us to use the minimum necessary scope and number of such laws, and to favor guarantees that apply to all citizens over those that apply only to defined groups.

And yes, the amount of harm redress is sought for does have a bearing on the remedy to be offered, if any.

Hepshepsut, 

Esquilax will try to make the argument about you when he doesn't have a strong response.  It is one of his troll tactics.  I would just ignore it.

I agree with you but would further add that if we do pass laws addressing social equality it shouldn't be at the expense of individual freedom except in very extreme circumstances.
Reply



Messages In This Thread
RE: Majority of Americans support gay rights over religious freedom bills - by Heywood - April 17, 2015 at 1:17 am

Possibly Related Threads...
Thread Author Replies Views Last Post
  Americans Unite - Behind Cold-Blooded Murderer AFTT47 167 12281 January 18, 2025 at 3:39 pm
Last Post: Thumpalumpacus
  Blinken practices Liberal Appeasement: "Do not support Taiwan's Independence". Nishant Xavier 37 4189 June 21, 2023 at 10:10 am
Last Post: Deesse23
  Women's Rights Lek 314 40728 April 25, 2023 at 5:22 am
Last Post: The Architect Of Fate
  HIV drug mandate violates religious freedom, judge rules zebo-the-fat 6 1493 September 9, 2022 at 6:12 pm
Last Post: Divinity
  Leaked Supreme Court Decision signals majority set to overturn Roe v. Wade Cecelia 234 32462 June 7, 2022 at 11:58 am
Last Post: Fake Messiah
  New Zealand - you gotta be this old to have rights. onlinebiker 123 14838 December 13, 2021 at 5:18 pm
Last Post: The Architect Of Fate
  6% Of Americans Think They Would Win A Fight Against A Grizzly Bear BrianSoddingBoru4 25 2392 May 17, 2021 at 2:32 pm
Last Post: Anomalocaris
  I officially support Biden in the US elections WinterHold 34 4544 October 22, 2020 at 11:42 am
Last Post: Rev. Rye
  J.K. Rowling had to return civil rights award Silver 68 8899 October 16, 2020 at 10:39 am
Last Post: Rank Stranger
  [Serious] G-20 leaders, don’t forget the women’s rights advocates rotting in Saudi prisons WinterHold 47 4932 September 23, 2020 at 6:26 am
Last Post: The Grand Nudger



Users browsing this thread: 1 Guest(s)