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About Islam
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RE: About Islam
(April 18, 2015 at 4:03 pm)Etrius Wrote: Wow, that's something more. Thank you very much for taking your time, and writing all this. IT should be it, for now.
Though, as an atheist, I really want to ask you one question, if you don't mind.
What in the world is this: " ...disbelievers being condemned (ie. rejecting clear evidence while knowing it... ".
Sorry if this offends you or something. But come again, what exactly is the "clear evidence". And is there any evidence AT ALL? For Any religion?
Thank you again for you time and attention. Have a nice day everyone Smile
I will give you an example. The Quran says the truth came to Pharaoh and his chiefs, when Moses turned his staff into a snake and then turned it back to a his stick. When Musa said I am a Messenger of God, it didn't mean the truth came. When he reminded of the true Creator, it didn't mean the truth came to them. The truth came to them meant when they were aware of Signs of God regarding Moses being sent, clear proofs, and went against it.
The Quran being a miracle you have to study Arabic to know that. Obviously people who don't know Arabic cannot be expected to see the eloquence of Quran and it's miracle. 
Moreover almost all translations of Quran destroy a key component of the message and one of it's themes. Aside from that there aare things to be reflected about but Satanic forces put locks on the hearts...but during Mohammad time, he interpreted the book with them, and even appointed Ali as the door to the house of wisdom, saying he (Mohammad) is the house of wisdom or the city of the knowledge, and Ali it's door/gate. That is because Ali was like Harun to Musa, better at conveying the higher truths, but Ali was not a Prophet.
Therefore how can we expect people who don't know the teachings of Ali that compliment the Quran to know it's spiritual deepness and the last Imam being hidden now, there is much missing from their knowledge in our books, to know the Quran is true from it's spiritual dimension or people not knowing Arabic knowing the superiority of the Quran to human language. 
Likewise, although there are rational reasons for people not knowing Arabic to believe in the Quran, that is to not say people not presented a clear proof are termed disbelievers.
Disbelievers in Quran is very clear, it's regarding rejecting clear signs of God when the truth becomes manifest to them, to become arrogant towards the truth and preferring blindness over sight.

And you welcome. Sorry forgot to say that in the beginning.
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About Islam - by Etrius - April 18, 2015 at 2:04 am
RE: About Islam - by robvalue - April 18, 2015 at 2:26 am
RE: About Islam - by Minimalist - April 18, 2015 at 2:32 am
RE: About Islam - by Pizza - April 18, 2015 at 3:01 am
RE: About Islam - by Etrius - April 18, 2015 at 2:41 am
RE: About Islam - by Minimalist - April 18, 2015 at 3:04 am
RE: About Islam - by MysticKnight - April 18, 2015 at 3:34 pm
RE: About Islam - by Etrius - April 18, 2015 at 4:03 pm
RE: About Islam - by MysticKnight - April 18, 2015 at 4:20 pm
RE: About Islam - by Etrius - April 18, 2015 at 4:34 pm
RE: About Islam - by MysticKnight - April 18, 2015 at 4:35 pm
RE: About Islam - by paulpablo - April 18, 2015 at 10:09 pm
RE: About Islam - by Etrius - April 18, 2015 at 4:49 pm
RE: About Islam - by MysticKnight - April 18, 2015 at 4:51 pm
RE: About Islam - by Brian37 - April 18, 2015 at 5:10 pm
RE: About Islam - by Etrius - April 18, 2015 at 4:59 pm
RE: About Islam - by MysticKnight - April 18, 2015 at 5:02 pm
RE: About Islam - by Brian37 - April 18, 2015 at 5:03 pm
RE: About Islam - by Etrius - April 18, 2015 at 5:06 pm
RE: About Islam - by MysticKnight - April 18, 2015 at 5:09 pm
RE: About Islam - by Etrius - April 18, 2015 at 5:14 pm
RE: About Islam - by MysticKnight - April 18, 2015 at 5:20 pm
RE: About Islam - by robvalue - April 18, 2015 at 6:03 pm
RE: About Islam - by Etrius - April 18, 2015 at 6:08 pm
RE: About Islam - by MysticKnight - April 18, 2015 at 6:11 pm
RE: About Islam - by Brian37 - April 18, 2015 at 7:41 pm
RE: About Islam - by Jenny A - April 18, 2015 at 8:03 pm
RE: About Islam - by MysticKnight - April 18, 2015 at 7:47 pm
RE: About Islam - by Brian37 - April 18, 2015 at 7:54 pm
RE: About Islam - by MysticKnight - April 18, 2015 at 8:14 pm
RE: About Islam - by Brian37 - April 18, 2015 at 9:44 pm
RE: About Islam - by Brian37 - April 19, 2015 at 8:18 am
RE: About Islam - by The Grand Nudger - April 18, 2015 at 9:24 pm
RE: About Islam - by Silver - April 18, 2015 at 9:52 pm
RE: About Islam - by Brian37 - April 18, 2015 at 10:49 pm
RE: About Islam - by Polaris - April 18, 2015 at 10:08 pm
RE: About Islam - by Etrius - April 19, 2015 at 1:19 am
RE: About Islam - by robvalue - April 19, 2015 at 1:41 am
About Islam - by Etrius - April 19, 2015 at 2:28 am
RE: About Islam - by robvalue - April 19, 2015 at 3:25 am
RE: About Islam - by ReptilianPeon - April 19, 2015 at 4:35 am
RE: About Islam - by mralstoner - April 19, 2015 at 6:52 am
About Islam - by Etrius - April 19, 2015 at 7:03 am
RE: About Islam - by mralstoner - April 19, 2015 at 7:16 am
RE: About Islam - by Brian37 - April 19, 2015 at 7:17 am
About Islam - by Etrius - April 19, 2015 at 9:35 am
RE: About Islam - by Brian37 - April 19, 2015 at 9:45 am
RE: About Islam - by MysticKnight - April 19, 2015 at 10:10 am
RE: About Islam - by Brian37 - April 19, 2015 at 10:55 am
RE: About Islam - by The Grand Nudger - April 19, 2015 at 10:31 am
RE: About Islam - by Mudhammam - April 19, 2015 at 10:59 am
RE: About Islam - by MysticKnight - April 19, 2015 at 12:03 pm
RE: About Islam - by Brian37 - April 19, 2015 at 2:07 pm
RE: About Islam - by MysticKnight - April 19, 2015 at 5:00 pm
RE: About Islam - by Brian37 - April 19, 2015 at 5:12 pm
RE: About Islam - by The Grand Nudger - April 19, 2015 at 2:01 pm
RE: About Islam - by robvalue - April 19, 2015 at 2:58 pm
RE: About Islam - by dyresand - April 19, 2015 at 3:01 pm
RE: About Islam - by robvalue - April 19, 2015 at 5:05 pm
RE: About Islam - by MysticKnight - April 19, 2015 at 5:12 pm
RE: About Islam - by Brian37 - April 19, 2015 at 5:18 pm
RE: About Islam - by robvalue - April 19, 2015 at 5:18 pm
RE: About Islam - by MysticKnight - April 19, 2015 at 5:32 pm
RE: About Islam - by robvalue - April 19, 2015 at 5:40 pm
RE: About Islam - by MysticKnight - April 19, 2015 at 5:44 pm
RE: About Islam - by Brian37 - April 19, 2015 at 5:52 pm
RE: About Islam - by Brian37 - April 19, 2015 at 7:31 pm
RE: About Islam - by The Grand Nudger - April 19, 2015 at 7:34 pm
RE: About Islam - by Mudhammam - April 19, 2015 at 9:58 pm
RE: About Islam - by MysticKnight - April 19, 2015 at 11:46 pm
RE: About Islam - by Silver - April 19, 2015 at 11:48 pm
RE: About Islam - by Brian37 - April 20, 2015 at 8:18 am
RE: About Islam - by robvalue - April 19, 2015 at 8:36 pm
RE: About Islam - by robvalue - April 20, 2015 at 2:59 am
RE: About Islam - by pocaracas - April 20, 2015 at 4:59 am
RE: About Islam - by nihilistcat - April 20, 2015 at 8:04 am
About Islam - by Etrius - April 21, 2015 at 3:32 pm
RE: About Islam - by MysticKnight - April 21, 2015 at 5:21 pm
RE: About Islam - by Chas - May 1, 2015 at 10:43 am
About Islam - by Etrius - April 21, 2015 at 11:38 pm
RE: About Islam - by Cato - April 21, 2015 at 11:52 pm
RE: About Islam - by robvalue - April 22, 2015 at 1:32 am
RE: About Islam - by Brian37 - April 22, 2015 at 7:39 am
RE: About Islam - by robvalue - April 22, 2015 at 8:17 am
RE: About Islam - by TubbyTubby - April 22, 2015 at 10:32 am
RE: About Islam - by robvalue - April 22, 2015 at 10:52 am
RE: About Islam - by Brian37 - April 22, 2015 at 3:46 pm
RE: About Islam - by Goon - April 22, 2015 at 3:16 pm
RE: About Islam - by Mohammed1212 - April 27, 2015 at 5:19 pm
RE: About Islam - by Regina - May 1, 2015 at 8:27 am
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