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What do we do while deciding if free will exists?
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RE: What do we do while deciding if free will exists?
Quote:I'm immersed enought that even though we are talking about free will, and the possibility that it's an illusion, I still feel like I'm acting completely freely while I think and type. 
-and as before....no one disputes immersion any more than anyone disputes the "something" you use to pick a candy bar.  I made my response explicitly to the statement that this immersion was -complete-. It obviously isn't..because, again, here we are having this discussion, here you are calling it "mythology". Seems to me, that you know better, that it isn't so complete as to have fooled you - which is why it puzzles me to see that you described it as such.
Quote:I still feel like my wife is a solid body (well, kinda solid lol)-- not as perceived but in every sense that I know and experience her.
Because she -is- a solid body, in the way that we take solid to mean.  Whats the problem?
Quote:That's right. If I was something else, my experience of the world would be totally different. To me, this means that the world view of people, or anything else, is essentially mythological.
You must have a different definition for mythology than I do.  I think that you're going to need a hell of alot of poetic license to make any parity between our sensory experience and mythology stick.  Your wife not only "seems" solid...to you...she -is- solid.....to you.  For some odd reason..I can't seem to unload the dozen odd dirty jokes I have lined up in my mind for this one.....I think I might have accidentally started respecting you....sonofabitch! : wink :
Quote:Of course there is.
The comment I responded to, with that quoted section, then..seems nonsensical if you've accepted this.  Perhaps you could rephrase?  The world as we experience it is precisely what we would expect from equipment with the range of operating parameters ours has....not seeing why that's mythology, or why it is different than the physics that it is an expression -of-?
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RE: What do we do while deciding if free will exists? - by The Grand Nudger - April 18, 2015 at 9:04 pm

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