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About Islam
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RE: About Islam
(April 19, 2015 at 10:10 am)MysticKnight Wrote: I want to say what I state as a proof is something I take as evidence. I don't mean to say that this would be obvious to everyone else and accepted by them. I don't know how others would take it.

But one of the thing that convince me of the Quran is regarding how the family of Mohammad are designated in Quran but in a way, in which the clear message to the masses, still needs to be conveyed the by Messenger.

5:67 unlike what people  think is not simply stating a trivial fact, that if he doesn't deliver the revelation, then he hasn't delivered the message, but is about a specific thing revealed to him, mainly about the position of Ali and that it needs to be manifested in clear fashion, delivered to the masses.

Now if Ali was part of a chosen family who were divine guides, they would have to be in Quran as well, but this verse shows not everyone will see them in an obvious manner, but then it has to be obvious to anyone who sincerely reflects.

At the same time, the Quran states regarding every recitation of a Prophet, Satan cast a suggestion regarding it, and that God annuls what Satan cast and makes what Satan cast a trial to those with a disease in their hearts.

This can be designed in a way to keep the Quran from being corrupted in a natural way (without supernatural force divine intervention).

Now my hypothesis is this:

1. The Quran regarding the family of Mohammad is clear enough for those who reflect enough and want to know the truth
2. God allowed room for each place where they are mentioned for Satanic forces to suggest a false suggestion so as to keep the words of Quran from being corrupted by their enemies (ie. he allows them to put illogical interpretations)
3.  The true meaning of these verses can be proven as the only possibility with logic and other verses of Quran. 
4. The illogical reading that take precedence in the hearts of people is due to a hidden dark force (Satan and his forces) which shows there is a hidden enemy to humanity and particularly the true Quran and the family of Mohammad as mere error in reflection cannot be the issue when the true meaning is the more logical of the two and the one that is confirmed by Quran showing there is something more going on with the hearts of humanity regarding the Quran.

I will be showing evidence towards this and you can make the judgement.

 

We are not arguing that you don't truly believe the Koran constitutes evidence. We do doubt your perception of reality that it is evidence. We are not being unfair to you, we make the same arguments to all sorts of other religions too.

Now again see if you can spot the pattern.

"Yahweh is the one true real god"
"Jesus is the one true god"
"Hinduism is older than those so it was the first"
"My Jewish texts matches science"
"My bible matches science"
"My Baga Givitas prove Hinduism matches science"

"My Jewish texts contains prophecies"
"The bible contains prophecies"
"Hinduism contains prophecies"
"Mormonism contain's prophecies"

We are not being mean to you by telling you you are NOT doing anything differently than any other religion. Humans get stuck on the pretty parts of their religious works and traditions and it still amounts to wishful gap filling. If you make the argument here, please know that same motif of an argument has been made by other people of other religions. The only difference are the colors and and details.

It really is no different than Coke and Pespi pointing at each other claiming "My soda is the one true soda because the color of the can" missing the point that neither were even the first beverage, which would have been water.
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About Islam - by Etrius - April 18, 2015 at 2:04 am
RE: About Islam - by robvalue - April 18, 2015 at 2:26 am
RE: About Islam - by Minimalist - April 18, 2015 at 2:32 am
RE: About Islam - by Pizza - April 18, 2015 at 3:01 am
RE: About Islam - by Etrius - April 18, 2015 at 2:41 am
RE: About Islam - by Minimalist - April 18, 2015 at 3:04 am
RE: About Islam - by MysticKnight - April 18, 2015 at 3:34 pm
RE: About Islam - by Etrius - April 18, 2015 at 4:03 pm
RE: About Islam - by MysticKnight - April 18, 2015 at 4:20 pm
RE: About Islam - by Etrius - April 18, 2015 at 4:34 pm
RE: About Islam - by MysticKnight - April 18, 2015 at 4:35 pm
RE: About Islam - by paulpablo - April 18, 2015 at 10:09 pm
RE: About Islam - by Etrius - April 18, 2015 at 4:49 pm
RE: About Islam - by MysticKnight - April 18, 2015 at 4:51 pm
RE: About Islam - by Brian37 - April 18, 2015 at 5:10 pm
RE: About Islam - by Etrius - April 18, 2015 at 4:59 pm
RE: About Islam - by MysticKnight - April 18, 2015 at 5:02 pm
RE: About Islam - by Brian37 - April 18, 2015 at 5:03 pm
RE: About Islam - by Etrius - April 18, 2015 at 5:06 pm
RE: About Islam - by MysticKnight - April 18, 2015 at 5:09 pm
RE: About Islam - by Etrius - April 18, 2015 at 5:14 pm
RE: About Islam - by MysticKnight - April 18, 2015 at 5:20 pm
RE: About Islam - by robvalue - April 18, 2015 at 6:03 pm
RE: About Islam - by Etrius - April 18, 2015 at 6:08 pm
RE: About Islam - by MysticKnight - April 18, 2015 at 6:11 pm
RE: About Islam - by Brian37 - April 18, 2015 at 7:41 pm
RE: About Islam - by Jenny A - April 18, 2015 at 8:03 pm
RE: About Islam - by MysticKnight - April 18, 2015 at 7:47 pm
RE: About Islam - by Brian37 - April 18, 2015 at 7:54 pm
RE: About Islam - by MysticKnight - April 18, 2015 at 8:14 pm
RE: About Islam - by Brian37 - April 18, 2015 at 9:44 pm
RE: About Islam - by Brian37 - April 19, 2015 at 8:18 am
RE: About Islam - by The Grand Nudger - April 18, 2015 at 9:24 pm
RE: About Islam - by Silver - April 18, 2015 at 9:52 pm
RE: About Islam - by Brian37 - April 18, 2015 at 10:49 pm
RE: About Islam - by Polaris - April 18, 2015 at 10:08 pm
RE: About Islam - by Etrius - April 19, 2015 at 1:19 am
RE: About Islam - by robvalue - April 19, 2015 at 1:41 am
About Islam - by Etrius - April 19, 2015 at 2:28 am
RE: About Islam - by robvalue - April 19, 2015 at 3:25 am
RE: About Islam - by ReptilianPeon - April 19, 2015 at 4:35 am
RE: About Islam - by mralstoner - April 19, 2015 at 6:52 am
About Islam - by Etrius - April 19, 2015 at 7:03 am
RE: About Islam - by mralstoner - April 19, 2015 at 7:16 am
RE: About Islam - by Brian37 - April 19, 2015 at 7:17 am
About Islam - by Etrius - April 19, 2015 at 9:35 am
RE: About Islam - by Brian37 - April 19, 2015 at 9:45 am
RE: About Islam - by MysticKnight - April 19, 2015 at 10:10 am
RE: About Islam - by Brian37 - April 19, 2015 at 10:55 am
RE: About Islam - by The Grand Nudger - April 19, 2015 at 10:31 am
RE: About Islam - by Mudhammam - April 19, 2015 at 10:59 am
RE: About Islam - by MysticKnight - April 19, 2015 at 12:03 pm
RE: About Islam - by Brian37 - April 19, 2015 at 2:07 pm
RE: About Islam - by MysticKnight - April 19, 2015 at 5:00 pm
RE: About Islam - by Brian37 - April 19, 2015 at 5:12 pm
RE: About Islam - by The Grand Nudger - April 19, 2015 at 2:01 pm
RE: About Islam - by robvalue - April 19, 2015 at 2:58 pm
RE: About Islam - by dyresand - April 19, 2015 at 3:01 pm
RE: About Islam - by robvalue - April 19, 2015 at 5:05 pm
RE: About Islam - by MysticKnight - April 19, 2015 at 5:12 pm
RE: About Islam - by Brian37 - April 19, 2015 at 5:18 pm
RE: About Islam - by robvalue - April 19, 2015 at 5:18 pm
RE: About Islam - by MysticKnight - April 19, 2015 at 5:32 pm
RE: About Islam - by robvalue - April 19, 2015 at 5:40 pm
RE: About Islam - by MysticKnight - April 19, 2015 at 5:44 pm
RE: About Islam - by Brian37 - April 19, 2015 at 5:52 pm
RE: About Islam - by Brian37 - April 19, 2015 at 7:31 pm
RE: About Islam - by The Grand Nudger - April 19, 2015 at 7:34 pm
RE: About Islam - by Mudhammam - April 19, 2015 at 9:58 pm
RE: About Islam - by MysticKnight - April 19, 2015 at 11:46 pm
RE: About Islam - by Silver - April 19, 2015 at 11:48 pm
RE: About Islam - by Brian37 - April 20, 2015 at 8:18 am
RE: About Islam - by robvalue - April 19, 2015 at 8:36 pm
RE: About Islam - by robvalue - April 20, 2015 at 2:59 am
RE: About Islam - by pocaracas - April 20, 2015 at 4:59 am
RE: About Islam - by nihilistcat - April 20, 2015 at 8:04 am
About Islam - by Etrius - April 21, 2015 at 3:32 pm
RE: About Islam - by MysticKnight - April 21, 2015 at 5:21 pm
RE: About Islam - by Chas - May 1, 2015 at 10:43 am
About Islam - by Etrius - April 21, 2015 at 11:38 pm
RE: About Islam - by Cato - April 21, 2015 at 11:52 pm
RE: About Islam - by robvalue - April 22, 2015 at 1:32 am
RE: About Islam - by Brian37 - April 22, 2015 at 7:39 am
RE: About Islam - by robvalue - April 22, 2015 at 8:17 am
RE: About Islam - by TubbyTubby - April 22, 2015 at 10:32 am
RE: About Islam - by robvalue - April 22, 2015 at 10:52 am
RE: About Islam - by Brian37 - April 22, 2015 at 3:46 pm
RE: About Islam - by Goon - April 22, 2015 at 3:16 pm
RE: About Islam - by Mohammed1212 - April 27, 2015 at 5:19 pm
RE: About Islam - by Regina - May 1, 2015 at 8:27 am
RE: About Islam - by downbeatplumb - May 1, 2015 at 11:30 am

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