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Dear Theists....Why?
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RE: Dear Theists....Why?
(September 9, 2010 at 9:03 pm)solja247 Wrote:
Quote:I'm with Zeus. Use any and all areas of study to provide objective (there is no such thing as subjective evidence, just subjective conclusions), factual, testable, and corroborated evidence (FACTS) that support your position. No "I think" statements.


The indian analogy of truth. Four blind men touch an elaphant. On touches the elephant's leg and says, 'An elephant is like strong pillar!' The other touches the elephant's tail and says, 'An elephant is like a rope.' Another one touches the elephant's ear and says, 'An elephant is like a basket.' The other man touched the elephant's belly and talked about it differently.

All the blind men had evidence for their claim, although subjective, this is similar to our search of truth. If history is to tell us anything we shouldnt say something is X, X will most likey be changed in the future or ridiucled.

Objective evidence is what we can learn from science and history. 2 + 2 = 4 is objecitve, not absolute. The theory of evolution is objective, not absolute. The historicity of Jesus, is objective but not absolute, we all have faith, at that current point in time, but they may be proven wrong in the future.

Absolute truth is truth we will never know about, but is absolute, simple as that. How did the universe start? something we will never understand completely. Is there a God?

Science can not be placed as being as absolute truth, as science is uncovering the mysteries of the world, we have come a fair way, but we still have further to go,

It is good that you understand this in my opinion. But remember this: Some this we have discovered and can fully understand. For example: We are alive. You don't deny this because you know this is true. ""until then, science is objective, but not absolute."" Now to my point, some things are absolute truth already
(September 9, 2010 at 9:07 pm)Watson Wrote: I do follow the teachings and understanding of Christianity and the Bible. I just understand them far better than you think you do. You claim that every Christian MUST believe that the things in the Bible happened...but in making this claim you reveal your own ignorance of the Bible, Christianity, and God Himself.

As for people don't rise from the dead, well, just because you haven't seen it happen doesn't mean it has never happened. I've seen and experienced some pretty amazing and miraculous things in my life, that make me believe itmight be possible for a human being to raise from the dead.

This is true: I have never seen a supernova but I know they exist. But again.....people DO NOT rise from the dead. It is impossible. You show your ignorance here my friend. Some things are absolutely false: no questioning that!

You are the ignorant one. In order to believe in a religion you actually do have to believe in it's teachings. That's how you follow a religion. *facepalm* Also I have studied the Bible on many occasions. That's how I lost my faith.




Please! I need more atheists to back me up here! I'm being shot with questions and I can't answer them all. I can't be on here all day.
Quote:"An individual has not started living until he can rise above the narrow confines of his individualistic concerns to the broader concerns of all humanity. "
Martin Luther King, Jr.
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Dear Theists....Why? - by HeyItsZeus - September 9, 2010 at 6:44 pm
RE: Dear Theists....Why? - by Watson - September 9, 2010 at 6:52 pm
RE: Dear Theists....Why? - by HeyItsZeus - September 9, 2010 at 8:54 pm
RE: Dear Theists....Why? - by solja247 - September 9, 2010 at 7:10 pm
RE: Dear Theists....Why? - by theVOID - September 9, 2010 at 7:53 pm
RE: Dear Theists....Why? - by ABierman1986 - September 9, 2010 at 8:33 pm
RE: Dear Theists....Why? - by theVOID - September 9, 2010 at 8:36 pm
RE: Dear Theists....Why? - by ABierman1986 - September 9, 2010 at 8:39 pm
RE: Dear Theists....Why? - by HeyItsZeus - September 9, 2010 at 8:49 pm
RE: Dear Theists....Why? - by Watson - September 9, 2010 at 8:51 pm
RE: Dear Theists....Why? - by HeyItsZeus - September 9, 2010 at 8:57 pm
RE: Dear Theists....Why? - by Watson - September 9, 2010 at 8:57 pm
RE: Dear Theists....Why? - by HeyItsZeus - September 9, 2010 at 9:01 pm
RE: Dear Theists....Why? - by Minimalist - September 10, 2010 at 12:17 am
RE: Dear Theists....Why? - by Watson - September 9, 2010 at 9:00 pm
RE: Dear Theists....Why? - by HeyItsZeus - September 9, 2010 at 9:03 pm
RE: Dear Theists....Why? - by solja247 - September 9, 2010 at 9:03 pm
RE: Dear Theists....Why? - by HeyItsZeus - September 9, 2010 at 9:07 pm
RE: Dear Theists....Why? - by solja247 - September 9, 2010 at 9:05 pm
RE: Dear Theists....Why? - by Watson - September 9, 2010 at 9:07 pm
RE: Dear Theists....Why? - by solja247 - September 9, 2010 at 9:19 pm
RE: Dear Theists....Why? - by HeyItsZeus - September 9, 2010 at 9:23 pm
RE: Dear Theists....Why? - by Watson - September 9, 2010 at 9:20 pm
RE: Dear Theists....Why? - by ABierman1986 - September 10, 2010 at 1:08 am
RE: Dear Theists....Why? - by solja247 - September 9, 2010 at 9:21 pm
RE: Dear Theists....Why? - by HeyItsZeus - September 9, 2010 at 9:29 pm
RE: Dear Theists....Why? - by Watson - September 9, 2010 at 9:27 pm
RE: Dear Theists....Why? - by Watson - September 9, 2010 at 9:32 pm
RE: Dear Theists....Why? - by HeyItsZeus - September 9, 2010 at 9:36 pm
RE: Dear Theists....Why? - by Watson - September 9, 2010 at 9:38 pm
RE: Dear Theists....Why? - by HeyItsZeus - September 9, 2010 at 9:41 pm
RE: Dear Theists....Why? - by Watson - September 9, 2010 at 9:42 pm
RE: Dear Theists....Why? - by HeyItsZeus - September 9, 2010 at 9:44 pm
RE: Dear Theists....Why? - by Watson - September 9, 2010 at 9:46 pm
RE: Dear Theists....Why? - by HeyItsZeus - September 9, 2010 at 9:52 pm
RE: Dear Theists....Why? - by padraic - September 9, 2010 at 10:34 pm
RE: Dear Theists....Why? - by solja247 - September 9, 2010 at 10:42 pm
RE: Dear Theists....Why? - by HeyItsZeus - September 10, 2010 at 7:20 am
RE: Dear Theists....Why? - by solja247 - September 10, 2010 at 1:28 am
RE: Dear Theists....Why? - by padraic - September 10, 2010 at 1:42 am
RE: Dear Theists....Why? - by Minimalist - September 10, 2010 at 1:57 am
RE: Dear Theists....Why? - by solja247 - September 10, 2010 at 2:29 am
RE: Dear Theists....Why? - by DeistPaladin - September 10, 2010 at 2:14 pm
RE: Dear Theists....Why? - by Minimalist - September 10, 2010 at 2:38 am
RE: Dear Theists....Why? - by solja247 - September 10, 2010 at 2:57 am
RE: Dear Theists....Why? - by Minimalist - September 10, 2010 at 11:39 am
RE: Dear Theists....Why? - by padraic - September 10, 2010 at 3:32 am
RE: Dear Theists....Why? - by solja247 - September 10, 2010 at 6:43 am
RE: Dear Theists....Why? - by Minimalist - September 10, 2010 at 3:57 pm
RE: Dear Theists....Why? - by DeistPaladin - September 10, 2010 at 4:26 pm
RE: Dear Theists....Why? - by Pippy - September 10, 2010 at 8:32 am
RE: Dear Theists....Why? - by ABierman1986 - September 10, 2010 at 8:17 pm
RE: Dear Theists....Why? - by RachelSkates - September 10, 2010 at 3:46 pm
RE: Dear Theists....Why? - by Minimalist - September 10, 2010 at 6:51 pm
RE: Dear Theists....Why? - by padraic - September 10, 2010 at 6:58 pm
RE: Dear Theists....Why? - by Minimalist - September 10, 2010 at 9:56 pm
RE: Dear Theists....Why? - by DeistPaladin - September 10, 2010 at 10:47 pm
RE: Dear Theists....Why? - by solja247 - September 11, 2010 at 12:10 am
RE: Dear Theists....Why? - by Minimalist - September 11, 2010 at 2:20 am
RE: Dear Theists....Why? - by solja247 - September 11, 2010 at 3:40 am
RE: Dear Theists....Why? - by HeyItsZeus - September 11, 2010 at 7:23 am
RE: Dear Theists....Why? - by DoodleBag - September 11, 2010 at 8:10 am
RE: Dear Theists....Why? - by solja247 - September 11, 2010 at 8:15 am
RE: Dear Theists....Why? - by HeyItsZeus - September 11, 2010 at 8:20 am
RE: Dear Theists....Why? - by Ace Otana - September 11, 2010 at 8:57 am
RE: Dear Theists....Why? - by Entropist - September 11, 2010 at 9:00 am
RE: Dear Theists....Why? - by Ace Otana - September 11, 2010 at 9:08 am
RE: Dear Theists....Why? - by Watson - September 11, 2010 at 8:33 am
RE: Dear Theists....Why? - by solja247 - September 11, 2010 at 8:39 am
RE: Dear Theists....Why? - by Watson - September 11, 2010 at 10:33 am
RE: Dear Theists....Why? - by HeyItsZeus - September 11, 2010 at 1:35 pm
RE: Dear Theists....Why? - by DoodleBag - September 11, 2010 at 1:49 pm
RE: Dear Theists....Why? - by Ace Otana - September 12, 2010 at 8:00 am
RE: Dear Theists....Why? - by Watson - September 11, 2010 at 1:47 pm
RE: Dear Theists....Why? - by HeyItsZeus - September 11, 2010 at 1:52 pm
RE: Dear Theists....Why? - by HeyItsZeus - September 11, 2010 at 1:59 pm
RE: Dear Theists....Why? - by Watson - September 11, 2010 at 1:50 pm
RE: Dear Theists....Why? - by Watson - September 11, 2010 at 1:59 pm
RE: Dear Theists....Why? - by HeyItsZeus - September 11, 2010 at 2:02 pm
RE: Dear Theists....Why? - by Pippy - September 11, 2010 at 1:59 pm
RE: Dear Theists....Why? - by Watson - September 11, 2010 at 2:05 pm
RE: Dear Theists....Why? - by HeyItsZeus - September 11, 2010 at 2:16 pm
RE: Dear Theists....Why? - by Skipper - September 11, 2010 at 7:05 pm
RE: Dear Theists....Why? - by HeyItsZeus - September 11, 2010 at 7:59 pm
RE: Dear Theists....Why? - by Watson - September 11, 2010 at 2:21 pm
RE: Dear Theists....Why? - by HeyItsZeus - September 11, 2010 at 2:23 pm
RE: Dear Theists....Why? - by Watson - September 11, 2010 at 2:25 pm
RE: Dear Theists....Why? - by solja247 - September 11, 2010 at 7:26 pm
RE: Dear Theists....Why? - by Minimalist - September 11, 2010 at 7:37 pm
RE: Dear Theists....Why? - by solja247 - September 11, 2010 at 7:44 pm
RE: Dear Theists....Why? - by Watson - September 11, 2010 at 7:58 pm
RE: Dear Theists....Why? - by HeyItsZeus - September 11, 2010 at 8:01 pm
RE: Dear Theists....Why? - by Watson - September 11, 2010 at 8:00 pm
RE: Dear Theists....Why? - by Watson - September 11, 2010 at 8:03 pm
RE: Dear Theists....Why? - by HeyItsZeus - September 11, 2010 at 8:06 pm
RE: Dear Theists....Why? - by Watson - September 11, 2010 at 8:23 pm
RE: Dear Theists....Why? - by HeyItsZeus - September 11, 2010 at 8:30 pm
RE: Dear Theists....Why? - by Watson - September 11, 2010 at 8:39 pm
RE: Dear Theists....Why? - by HeyItsZeus - September 11, 2010 at 8:44 pm
RE: Dear Theists....Why? - by Watson - September 11, 2010 at 8:50 pm
RE: Dear Theists....Why? - by HeyItsZeus - September 11, 2010 at 8:55 pm
RE: Dear Theists....Why? - by Watson - September 11, 2010 at 9:06 pm
RE: Dear Theists....Why? - by HeyItsZeus - September 11, 2010 at 9:10 pm
RE: Dear Theists....Why? - by Watson - September 11, 2010 at 9:12 pm
RE: Dear Theists....Why? - by HeyItsZeus - September 11, 2010 at 9:15 pm
RE: Dear Theists....Why? - by Watson - September 11, 2010 at 9:19 pm
RE: Dear Theists....Why? - by HeyItsZeus - September 11, 2010 at 9:26 pm
RE: Dear Theists....Why? - by Watson - September 11, 2010 at 9:30 pm
RE: Dear Theists....Why? - by HeyItsZeus - September 11, 2010 at 9:37 pm
RE: Dear Theists....Why? - by tackattack - September 11, 2010 at 10:09 pm
RE: Dear Theists....Why? - by solja247 - September 11, 2010 at 10:44 pm
RE: Dear Theists....Why? - by Minimalist - September 12, 2010 at 2:25 am
RE: Dear Theists....Why? - by padraic - September 12, 2010 at 4:15 am
RE: Dear Theists....Why? - by Pippy - September 12, 2010 at 8:06 am
RE: Dear Theists....Why? - by Skipper - September 12, 2010 at 9:50 am
RE: Dear Theists....Why? - by Pippy - September 13, 2010 at 12:48 pm
RE: Dear Theists....Why? - by Skipper - September 13, 2010 at 3:45 pm
RE: Dear Theists....Why? - by Minimalist - September 13, 2010 at 1:03 pm
RE: Dear Theists....Why? - by padraic - September 14, 2010 at 12:15 am
RE: Dear Theists....Why? - by Pippy - September 14, 2010 at 3:13 am
RE: Dear Theists....Why? - by padraic - September 14, 2010 at 5:00 am

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