(April 22, 2015 at 10:51 am)Rhondazvous Wrote:(April 18, 2015 at 7:35 pm)Godschild Wrote: Please show me the verses.
Who said the tree was there for them to eat from and gain eternal life. The story is quite clear that death wasn't a part of the creation, if death was a part of creation then the punishment of death for disobedience would have no meaning, wouldn't you say so.
GC
We know that the Tree of Life was in the garden
Genesis 2:9b
In the middle of the garden were the tree of life and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.
And we know it was a tree Adam was allowed to eat from because Yahweh specifically said Adam could eat of any tree except the tree of Knowledge
Genesis 2:16
And the Lord God commanded the man, “You are free to eat from any tree in the garden; 17 but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat from it you will certainly die.”
So again, why have a tree designed to give them immortality if they already had it. And if they didn't have it, why threaten them with death if they were already mortal?
I don't know what your purpose was in challenging me. I hope you did not make the mistake of thinking I would not be up to it. I don't speak without knowledge or put forth as facts that for which I have no documentation.
The verses I was interested in are the ones you say that God and satan play the same role.
As far as the tree of Life what makes you think the needed to eat from it, scripture nowhere indicates they had such a need. Why would God tell them they would die from disobedience if they were able to die, makes no sense what you purpose. Could be the Tree of Life had excellent tasting fruit, the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil did according to Eve.
GC
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.