(September 9, 2010 at 12:37 pm)Skipper Wrote: Don't take my words out of context mate. That was clearly a reply in the context of what Thor wrote.
I went on in the rest of the post to pretty much say evolutionarily we are top dog. Just that if a god meant us to end up in this form why didn't he give us all the other great things we could benefit from in terms of survival that are present in other species.
That was entirely my mistake. I mistook the direction the conversation was going and responded inappropriately. I will certainly agree that the idea of an intelligent designer is, in a sense, not out of the cosmological question because science has only come so far - but creationism as depicted in virtually all religious faiths in the world are all absolutely wrong.
The reason intelligent design is not science is because it bases scientific premises (like evolution) on assumptions that cannot be proven or tested, which in turn makes it not science as well as other scientific suppositions that aren't (like irreductable complexity.)
The problem with intelligent design, however, is just as with creationism - we have no reason to believe a creator spurred any development we've witnessed as a species - be it life on earth or the manner to which the universe has come to be for many of the same reasons that many of you have already posted.
Modern life forms on this planet are rife with traits that serve no purpose, hinder us (in some manner minor enough to avoid being erased from the gene pool), or even the parts of our and other animal's biology can possess a number of fatal flaws, and even parts of our biology that we often use and readily need for day-to-day work can catastrophically fail at what they were meant to do (eyes, pancreas, etc.)
Life on this planet is far from any kind of perfection and there is no sign of any intentional design anywhere. THe proof, as they say, is in the pudding. Humans are getting to the point to where we'll be able to build better humans than nature ever could. Humans have already doubled their own life spans and advancements are only increasing in frequency as time marches on.
Faith in a higher power is nice, but not a necessary component of anyone's life in any manner any longer, if it ever was.
If today you can take a thing like evolution and make it a crime to teach in the public schools, tomorrow you can make it a crime to teach it in the private schools and next year you can make it a crime to teach it to the hustings or in the church. At the next session you may ban books and the newspapers...
Ignorance and fanaticism are ever busy and need feeding. Always feeding and gloating for more. Today it is the public school teachers; tomorrow the private. The next day the preachers and the lecturers, the magazines, the books, the newspapers. After a while, Your Honor, it is the setting of man against man and creed against creed until with flying banners and beating drums we are marching backward to the glorious ages of the sixteenth centry when bigots lighted fagots to burn the men who dared to bring any intelligence and enlightenment and culture to the human mind. ~Clarence Darrow, at the Scopes Monkey Trial, 1925
Politics is supposed to be the second-oldest profession. I have come to realize that it bears a very close resemblance to the first. ~Ronald Reagan
Ignorance and fanaticism are ever busy and need feeding. Always feeding and gloating for more. Today it is the public school teachers; tomorrow the private. The next day the preachers and the lecturers, the magazines, the books, the newspapers. After a while, Your Honor, it is the setting of man against man and creed against creed until with flying banners and beating drums we are marching backward to the glorious ages of the sixteenth centry when bigots lighted fagots to burn the men who dared to bring any intelligence and enlightenment and culture to the human mind. ~Clarence Darrow, at the Scopes Monkey Trial, 1925
Politics is supposed to be the second-oldest profession. I have come to realize that it bears a very close resemblance to the first. ~Ronald Reagan