(April 23, 2015 at 12:19 am)Godschild Wrote:(April 22, 2015 at 10:51 am)Rhondazvous Wrote: We know that the Tree of Life was in the garden
Genesis 2:9b
In the middle of the garden were the tree of life and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.
And we know it was a tree Adam was allowed to eat from because Yahweh specifically said Adam could eat of any tree except the tree of Knowledge
Genesis 2:16
And the Lord God commanded the man, “You are free to eat from any tree in the garden; 17 but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat from it you will certainly die.”
So again, why have a tree designed to give them immortality if they already had it. And if they didn't have it, why threaten them with death if they were already mortal?
I don't know what your purpose was in challenging me. I hope you did not make the mistake of thinking I would not be up to it. I don't speak without knowledge or put forth as facts that for which I have no documentation.
The verses I was interested in are the ones you say that God and satan play the same role.
As far as the tree of Life what makes you think the needed to eat from it, scripture nowhere indicates they had such a need. Why would God tell them they would die from disobedience if they were able to die, makes no sense what you purpose. Could be the Tree of Life had excellent tasting fruit, the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil did according to Eve.
GC
God
1 And again the anger of the LORD was kindled against Israel, and he moved David against them to say, Go, number Israel and Judah.
2 Samuel 24:1 KJV
Satan
1 And Satan stood up against Israel, and provoked David to number Israel.
1 Chronicles 21:1 KJV
Both God and Satan blind the minds of unbelievers
John 12:39-40
39 For this reason they could not believe, because, as Isaiah says elsewhere:
40 “He has blinded their eyes
and hardened their hearts,
so they can neither see with their eyes,
nor understand with their hearts,
nor turn—and I would heal them.”[b]
Now the question is, who is "He?" Jesus:
Mark 4:10-13
And when He was alone, they that were about Him with the twelve asked of Him the parable. And He said unto them, Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God, but unto them that are without, all these things are done in parables.
“That seeing they may see, and not perceived: and hearing they may hear, and not understand; lest at any time they should be converted and their sins should be forgiven them. And He said unto them, Know ye not this parable? And how then will you know all parables?”
No matter wheat the Church tells us is the reason Jesus spoke in parables, the man tells us right here it was because he did not want the people to understand and be converted "by any means."
at the same time the Bible tells us that satan blings the people's minds.
2 corinthians 4:4
In their case the god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelievers, to keep them from seeing the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.
As I said it makes no sense to put a Tree of Life in the garden if they already had life. No argument there. I have already shown you the passage Where God tells them they are free to eat any fruit except that of the Tree of Knowledge. If you refuse to believe what God himself said and you call yourself a child of God? For shame.
The god who allows children to be raped out of respect for the free will choice of the rapist, but punishes gay men for engaging in mutually consensual sex couldn't possibly be responsible for an intelligently designed universe.
I may defend your right to free speech, but i won't help you pass out flyers.
Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities.
--Voltaire
Nietzsche isn't dead. How do I know he lives? He lives in my mind.
I may defend your right to free speech, but i won't help you pass out flyers.
Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities.
--Voltaire
Nietzsche isn't dead. How do I know he lives? He lives in my mind.