(April 23, 2015 at 1:17 pm)Mezmo! Wrote: You, pro-gay advocates, are missing the point entirely. I am responding to the charge that opposition to homosexual behavior is akin to bigotry. That gets thrown around a lot, but is completely ignorant as I showed earlier. I advocate natural law, not only with respect to the issue at hand, but for a whole range of moral issues, like adultery and incest. You guys disagree. We both hold sincerely held beliefs. Disagreement over sincerely held beliefs is not bigotry.
It is when those sincerely held beliefs are baseless and targeted directly at a group of people based on their nature. What the hell would you consider bigotry, if you exclude ideas that are believed? Racists sincerely hold their racist beliefs, doesn't mean they aren't bigoted. Are you now limiting bigotry to only beliefs people espouse but don't really believe in? You've completely stripped the word of all meaning, now.
Not to mention, you "advocate for natural law,"... while ignoring the naturally occurring homosexuality that takes place among many species, humans among them.
Quote:In order for an opinion or action to qualify as bigoted it must be unfair. Gender is inherently subjective and involves beliefs about one identity based on desires and feelings.
Couple things: firstly, yet again, sexual orientation is not the same thing as gender identity, so even if we take you seriously you're still wrong. Secondly, no, gender is not "inherently subjective," and if you think that it is, then I challenge you to switch to female for a bit.
Quote:Likewise it not bigoted to hold unfavorable opinions or discriminate against people because of actions in which they freely engaged and for which they were entirely responsible.
Again, I don't think the insistence that you're not being bigoted, just judgmental and asshole-ish, really works in your favor. Seems more like you want to avoid the negative consequences of the beliefs you hold, rather than making sure those beliefs are at all justifiable... which they aren't.
Quote:Nearly everyone on your side take traditional opinions (not all of which are religious) about homosexuality personally. I can understand that because it is an affront to your strongly held beliefs about gender identity and pronounced feelings. In the same way people of faith have strongly held beliefs about their religious identity and inclinations toward certain spiritual experiences and consider gay-positive advocacy offensive. Again, these are differences of opinion. Those opinions may be uninformed, stupid, and even disrespectful, one way or the other, and reasonable people can disagree, but any comparison between opposition to homosexuality and race/sexism is nothing more than ignorant hyperbole.
Do you care at all about the fact that your beliefs are completely unjustifiable and arbitrary? This entire screed is little more than you trying desperately to escape negative labels, rather than answering for the very clear problems in your, yes, bigotry. It's been something of a running theme with the homophobes in this thread; none of you can actually hack it in the real argument, and so you're reduced to wheedling damage control in an attempt to make sure we can't use words that will make you look bad when describing you.
Quote:The earthly conjugal love between a man and a woman corresponds with the spiritual union of the male and female principles.
Uh Oh! Seems like you're going to have to establish the existence of spiritual anything before we can consider that argument justifiable!
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