Commie says hi!

[Dystopia]

Communists and Fascists do share a similar set of collectivist values in common and given both of them are stigmatized by the 'liberal' majority, it's not surprising we can get along from time to time on an individual level. on a larger scale, the differences are too extreme for anything more than a temporary departure from conflict as where we want to go are simply too different. That's especially true regarding, race, eugenics, and imperialism.

Curiously some fascists consider themselves socialists but they have a different conception of the word - Hitler's party was the national-socialist party, in a certain way they were socialist because of the collectivist view. One of the biggest differences is the fact Fascists have an immaterial conception of certain realities like the State and therefore are not materialists.

Since fascism is inherently nationalist, I distinguish between civic and ethnic nationalism - My experiences in politics websites is that most fascists favour eugenics but they differ on how it should be done, and there's basically one category that doesn't care about race (specially if you consider that imperialism leads to interracial relationships and multi-ethnic societies) and another that thinks people should be split into racial groups (while I've met some national-socialists, most don't follow the Hitler philosophy and simply think it's about preserving our origins; in fact I've met black and asian fascists). We've had some problems in a forum I post because of discussing eugenics (for fascists) because while it is free speech there are certain limits, even on internet boards, that may constitute hate speech or incitement to hate - Some people were very close to openly say "X group should be exterminated" while others simply argued that we should promote reproduction between people with more desirable traits.

I mostly disagree with fascists on eugenics and I dislike what I call IQ fetishism - But I don't think all fascists support eugenics.Another curious thing is that despite the stigma and stereotype the people I've met who identified as fascists were not religious but mostly atheists and many hated Christianity simply because it is incompatible with imperialism and allows people to worship someone more than the State. Mussolini was an atheist, he just knew how to use the Catholic church to his advantage. Hitler may have been a Roman Catholic but his program was based on secularist eugenic ideas developed and popularized in countries like the US and others (In fact, I would argue that you cant' justfiy the holocaust with the bible nor Eugenics and racial purity)

I do notice there's some small agreements because both are anti-establishment and against liberal-capitalists and neo-liberalism so there's some common points - And both defend the need for the individual to submit to something greater than himself like the State or the collective group/society.

Red, are you a revolutionary or democratic socialist?


Edit - I believe that everyone who lives in a capitalist free market society (like most people do) have to adapt themselves to the system to develop their skills and survive. Since no one is free from propaganda and limitations of human psychology we all have at least a minimal desire for individualism and consumerism - I just ordered a smartphone and I'm quite happy. Curiously you can notice a difference in mentalities if you talk to people who lived in non liberal societies. My dad lived during the dictatorship and so he had different ideas of how society should work (more towards the common good) despite not wanting to go back.

How would you classify the People's Republic of China considering the capitalist cities like Xangai, etc?