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Dear Theists....Why?
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RE: Dear Theists....Why?
(September 10, 2010 at 6:43 am)solja247 Wrote: Perhaps this is what you are looking for:

http://www.holycross.edu/assets/pdfs/res...debate.pdf

I have just started reading it. It is between William Lane Craig and Bart D. Ehrman...



And Craig loses it in point #1.

Quote:(I) There are four historical facts which must be explained by any adequate historical
hypothesis:
o Jesus’ burial
o the discovery of his empty tomb
o his post-mortem appearances
o the origin of the disciples’ belief in his resurrection.


He asserts "facts" which are not in evidence. He equates xtian dogma with reality. There is no evidence that jesus ever lived let alone that he was "buried," "had an empty tomb," "appeared to anyone," or that he had "disciples" who believed anything.

These legends grew up over the intervening 2-3 centuries. They are not "facts."[/code]
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Dear Theists....Why? - by HeyItsZeus - September 9, 2010 at 6:44 pm
RE: Dear Theists....Why? - by Watson - September 9, 2010 at 6:52 pm
RE: Dear Theists....Why? - by HeyItsZeus - September 9, 2010 at 8:54 pm
RE: Dear Theists....Why? - by solja247 - September 9, 2010 at 7:10 pm
RE: Dear Theists....Why? - by theVOID - September 9, 2010 at 7:53 pm
RE: Dear Theists....Why? - by ABierman1986 - September 9, 2010 at 8:33 pm
RE: Dear Theists....Why? - by theVOID - September 9, 2010 at 8:36 pm
RE: Dear Theists....Why? - by ABierman1986 - September 9, 2010 at 8:39 pm
RE: Dear Theists....Why? - by HeyItsZeus - September 9, 2010 at 8:49 pm
RE: Dear Theists....Why? - by Watson - September 9, 2010 at 8:51 pm
RE: Dear Theists....Why? - by HeyItsZeus - September 9, 2010 at 8:57 pm
RE: Dear Theists....Why? - by Watson - September 9, 2010 at 8:57 pm
RE: Dear Theists....Why? - by HeyItsZeus - September 9, 2010 at 9:01 pm
RE: Dear Theists....Why? - by Minimalist - September 10, 2010 at 12:17 am
RE: Dear Theists....Why? - by Watson - September 9, 2010 at 9:00 pm
RE: Dear Theists....Why? - by HeyItsZeus - September 9, 2010 at 9:03 pm
RE: Dear Theists....Why? - by solja247 - September 9, 2010 at 9:03 pm
RE: Dear Theists....Why? - by HeyItsZeus - September 9, 2010 at 9:07 pm
RE: Dear Theists....Why? - by solja247 - September 9, 2010 at 9:05 pm
RE: Dear Theists....Why? - by Watson - September 9, 2010 at 9:07 pm
RE: Dear Theists....Why? - by solja247 - September 9, 2010 at 9:19 pm
RE: Dear Theists....Why? - by HeyItsZeus - September 9, 2010 at 9:23 pm
RE: Dear Theists....Why? - by Watson - September 9, 2010 at 9:20 pm
RE: Dear Theists....Why? - by ABierman1986 - September 10, 2010 at 1:08 am
RE: Dear Theists....Why? - by solja247 - September 9, 2010 at 9:21 pm
RE: Dear Theists....Why? - by HeyItsZeus - September 9, 2010 at 9:29 pm
RE: Dear Theists....Why? - by Watson - September 9, 2010 at 9:27 pm
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RE: Dear Theists....Why? - by HeyItsZeus - September 9, 2010 at 9:36 pm
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RE: Dear Theists....Why? - by solja247 - September 9, 2010 at 10:42 pm
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RE: Dear Theists....Why? - by solja247 - September 10, 2010 at 2:29 am
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RE: Dear Theists....Why? - by Minimalist - September 10, 2010 at 11:39 am
RE: Dear Theists....Why? - by padraic - September 10, 2010 at 3:32 am
RE: Dear Theists....Why? - by solja247 - September 10, 2010 at 6:43 am
RE: Dear Theists....Why? - by Minimalist - September 10, 2010 at 3:57 pm
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RE: Dear Theists....Why? - by Pippy - September 10, 2010 at 8:32 am
RE: Dear Theists....Why? - by ABierman1986 - September 10, 2010 at 8:17 pm
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RE: Dear Theists....Why? - by Minimalist - September 10, 2010 at 6:51 pm
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RE: Dear Theists....Why? - by solja247 - September 11, 2010 at 12:10 am
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RE: Dear Theists....Why? - by solja247 - September 11, 2010 at 8:15 am
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RE: Dear Theists....Why? - by solja247 - September 11, 2010 at 7:26 pm
RE: Dear Theists....Why? - by Minimalist - September 11, 2010 at 7:37 pm
RE: Dear Theists....Why? - by solja247 - September 11, 2010 at 7:44 pm
RE: Dear Theists....Why? - by Watson - September 11, 2010 at 7:58 pm
RE: Dear Theists....Why? - by HeyItsZeus - September 11, 2010 at 8:01 pm
RE: Dear Theists....Why? - by Watson - September 11, 2010 at 8:00 pm
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RE: Dear Theists....Why? - by solja247 - September 11, 2010 at 10:44 pm
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