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Commie says hi!
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RE: Commie says hi!
Quote:Really! That's something interesting I have never heard stated before. How is this viewpoint justified?
Basically one of the aspects that separates communists/marxists from fascists, integralists and other authoritarian alike individuals is the fact that Marx proposed a materialistic conception of history and mankind (I think Red Economy knows better than I do) - To put it simply, we could say most atheists are materialists in the sense that everything comes from matter and there is no afterlife, gods, etc. Fascists can be atheists but they propose an immaterial, even spiritualist viewpoint that says some institutions and values cannot be measured and even if you can explain it scientifically there's still a certain degree of impossibility to measure it. The State, for example, despite the association with the government, is not merely the former, it is the people, the territory, shared values, ancestors, etc - So this becomes a sort of immaterial, non measurable value (physically) that unites the people. Social institutions could be classified as immaterial - Marriage, for instance, is a contract on paper but you can't measure a marriage physically because there is nothing literally uniting two people, it's an immaterial bond both agree on - Of course institutions have people, buildings and measures to work but their basic conceptualization is immaterial and abstract. 

You can be an atheist and not believe in anything but still support these immaterial concepts of society - Mussolini does this quite well in his book and he says fascism is spiritualist



Quote:Much of the bible is incredibly racist and genocidy, and most of all about segregation. The question is whether you can translate the message to your tribe
Considering the message of Jesus and the fact he was a Jew himself it is very complicated to justify the genocide of 7+million people not to mention eugenics because to a certain extent religion creates a union between believers in god's eyes and is thus a little egalitarian to support eugenics. Could you support some anti-semitism? Probably. Some racism? Maybe. But probably not something like the Holocaust and nothing like Eugenics which is, for the most part, based on misinterpretations of Darwin about survival of the fittest (And Nietzsche's Ubermersch)
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Quote:The Nazi's were anti-Christian I think because it had some egalitarian interpretations. A certain religiosity and mysticism is probably helpful to a fascist mentality but there is no reason they can't be atheists. I think it is unlikely, they would be materialists though, but actually- your knowledge of the subject is probably better than mine.
I don't think atheism is incompatible with the mysticism and immaterialism/anti-materialism of fascist ideology, even if you don't believe in afterlives and gods, ghosts, etc. Since you mentioned you are interested you probably know where to start - But in case you don't, just read The Doctrine Of Fascism by Mussolini (short and concise) and then maybe some Plato, Aldous Huxley's Brave New World, The Prince by Maquiavel, etc.
Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster. And if you gaze long enough into an abyss, the abyss will gaze back into you

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Commie says hi! - by Red Economist - April 23, 2015 at 4:00 am
RE: Commie says hi! - by Longhorn - April 23, 2015 at 4:03 am
RE: Commie says hi! - by Dystopia - April 23, 2015 at 4:04 am
RE: Commie says hi! - by robvalue - April 23, 2015 at 4:08 am
RE: Commie says hi! - by Alex K - April 23, 2015 at 4:26 am
RE: Commie says hi! - by pocaracas - April 23, 2015 at 4:56 am
RE: Commie says hi! - by SteelCurtain - April 23, 2015 at 6:37 am
RE: Commie says hi! - by robvalue - April 23, 2015 at 6:40 am
RE: Commie says hi! - by Alex K - April 23, 2015 at 6:54 am
RE: Commie says hi! - by Joods - April 23, 2015 at 6:55 am
RE: Commie says hi! - by polar bear - April 23, 2015 at 8:00 am
RE: Commie says hi! - by Alex K - April 23, 2015 at 8:15 am
RE: Commie says hi! - by Hatshepsut - April 23, 2015 at 8:42 am
RE: Commie says hi! - by *Deidre* - April 23, 2015 at 9:16 am
RE: Commie says hi! - by Nope - April 23, 2015 at 9:29 am
RE: Commie says hi! - by Red Economist - April 23, 2015 at 9:43 am
RE: Commie says hi! - by pocaracas - April 23, 2015 at 10:25 am
RE: Commie says hi! - by Alex K - April 23, 2015 at 10:40 am
RE: Commie says hi! - by Hatshepsut - April 23, 2015 at 11:15 am
RE: Commie says hi! - by Dystopia - April 23, 2015 at 12:14 pm
RE: Commie says hi! - by Hatshepsut - April 23, 2015 at 3:24 pm
RE: Commie says hi! - by Red Economist - April 23, 2015 at 11:24 am
RE: Commie says hi! - by Alex K - April 23, 2015 at 12:16 pm
RE: Commie says hi! - by Red Economist - April 23, 2015 at 4:32 pm
RE: Commie says hi! - by Dystopia - April 24, 2015 at 7:36 am
RE: Commie says hi! - by Alex K - April 24, 2015 at 8:03 am
RE: Commie says hi! - by Dystopia - April 24, 2015 at 9:21 am
RE: Commie says hi! - by Red Economist - April 24, 2015 at 8:47 am
RE: Commie says hi! - by uniquepegasister - August 8, 2015 at 1:51 am
RE: Commie says hi! - by Lucanus - August 8, 2015 at 1:55 am

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