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Dear Theists....Why?
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RE: Dear Theists....Why?
(September 10, 2010 at 3:57 pm)Minimalist Wrote: And Craig loses it in point #1.

Quote:(I) There are four historical facts which must be explained by any adequate historical
hypothesis:
o Jesus’ burial
o the discovery of his empty tomb
o his post-mortem appearances
o the origin of the disciples’ belief in his resurrection.


He asserts "facts" which are not in evidence. He equates xtian dogma with reality. There is no evidence that jesus ever lived let alone that he was "buried," "had an empty tomb," "appeared to anyone," or that he had "disciples" who believed anything.

These legends grew up over the intervening 2-3 centuries. They are not "facts."[/code]

Even if we're generous and give that a historical Jesus on whom the mythology is based really existed, there are numerous problems:

Burial and empty tomb (actually, that's just one fact): There are three "empty tombs", all of whom claim to be the real deal, none provide any evidence.

His post-mortem appearance: Even today, there are "Elvis sightings" with just as much evidence to back them up. 2,000 years ago was a much more superstitious time.

The beliefs about his resurrection: We've got four contradictory accounts, none of whom can even get basic facts straight. How many angels were there? Was the stone moved before or during Mary's visit? Did Jesus go up into Heaven that day, 8 days later or 40 days later? And this is only the cannonical accounts. There are many different Christianities that existed at that time, some of whom denied Jesus had come in the flesh (see 1John 4:1-3 and 2John 1:7).
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Dear Theists....Why? - by HeyItsZeus - September 9, 2010 at 6:44 pm
RE: Dear Theists....Why? - by Watson - September 9, 2010 at 6:52 pm
RE: Dear Theists....Why? - by HeyItsZeus - September 9, 2010 at 8:54 pm
RE: Dear Theists....Why? - by solja247 - September 9, 2010 at 7:10 pm
RE: Dear Theists....Why? - by theVOID - September 9, 2010 at 7:53 pm
RE: Dear Theists....Why? - by ABierman1986 - September 9, 2010 at 8:33 pm
RE: Dear Theists....Why? - by theVOID - September 9, 2010 at 8:36 pm
RE: Dear Theists....Why? - by ABierman1986 - September 9, 2010 at 8:39 pm
RE: Dear Theists....Why? - by HeyItsZeus - September 9, 2010 at 8:49 pm
RE: Dear Theists....Why? - by Watson - September 9, 2010 at 8:51 pm
RE: Dear Theists....Why? - by HeyItsZeus - September 9, 2010 at 8:57 pm
RE: Dear Theists....Why? - by Watson - September 9, 2010 at 8:57 pm
RE: Dear Theists....Why? - by HeyItsZeus - September 9, 2010 at 9:01 pm
RE: Dear Theists....Why? - by Minimalist - September 10, 2010 at 12:17 am
RE: Dear Theists....Why? - by Watson - September 9, 2010 at 9:00 pm
RE: Dear Theists....Why? - by HeyItsZeus - September 9, 2010 at 9:03 pm
RE: Dear Theists....Why? - by solja247 - September 9, 2010 at 9:03 pm
RE: Dear Theists....Why? - by HeyItsZeus - September 9, 2010 at 9:07 pm
RE: Dear Theists....Why? - by solja247 - September 9, 2010 at 9:05 pm
RE: Dear Theists....Why? - by Watson - September 9, 2010 at 9:07 pm
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RE: Dear Theists....Why? - by Minimalist - September 10, 2010 at 6:51 pm
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