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Debunking of Modern Evolutionary and Cosmological Theories
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RE: Debunking of Modern Evolutionary and Cosmological Theories
(April 25, 2015 at 3:25 pm)JuliaL Wrote:
(April 25, 2015 at 6:59 am)Hatshepsut Wrote: Granted, if you mean "empirical truth." Is this the only kind of truth? Oddly, science relies a great deal on a non-empirical form of truth called "mathematics."
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I am unclear on this.  I've heard much on the transcendental nature of the laws of logic and mathematics, yet if they are not in this material universe, where are they?  I'd appreciate some pointers to argument that such an idealism holds. 

To say that they are non-empirical because they are products of reason assumes that reason is somehow non-empirical itself.  I'd say that is not yet shown and I fail to see how it can be shown.

They're non-empirical because, per the standard definition, the "empirical" is "based on, concerned with, or verifiable by observation or experience rather than theory or pure logic." Rationalism relies on the pure abstractions of the intellect to formulate conceptions of truth while strict empiricism looks exclusively to the objects of experience in its determinations. The former begins with the whole and works its way down to the parts; the latter starts with the parts and works towards the whole. Obviously, the two approaches or aspects of reality are relevant to all of our inquiries and neither is fruitful in the extreme if it is to the exclusion of the other. Mathematics is concerned with numbers, which are objects of thought and never verifiable by direct experience, except to the extent which bodily magnitudes are subjected to the rules of addition and division, and the debate as to whether numbers are properties of the objects themselves, an invention of the human mind, or of an abstract (some might say divine, or metaphysical) realm only accessible in thought, rages on since the early days of the Greeks' "golden age," and most notably in the writings of Aristotle and his teacher, Plato.
He who loves God cannot endeavour that God should love him in return - Baruch Spinoza
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RE: Debunking of Modern Evolutionary and Cosmological Theories - by Mudhammam - April 25, 2015 at 5:29 pm

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