RE: The fine tuning argument
September 12, 2010 at 12:00 pm
(This post was last modified: September 12, 2010 at 12:02 pm by Captain Scarlet.)
(September 12, 2010 at 9:01 am)solja247 Wrote: No one has refuted it. Dawkins attempted to refute it in, 'The God Dellusion' However, most philosophers dont take any of his arguements seriously. After all, when we talk about origins, we are talking about philosophy, not science. Although, science can help our belief in how the universe began...Not true and a bit bombastic but if you don't like Dawkins populist approach try proper philosophers: For a general refutaion of any design argument David Humes classic work is a great read. He devestates any argument from design. In more recent times: Quentin Smith (1992), Theodore Drange (1998), Paul Draper (2008) have refuted the fine tuning argument.
Almost all design arguments for God are based on analogies to humans.
- For older civilisations: Humans move objects, objects in nature move, and so these objects must be moved by an invisible intelligence or designer.
- For the 19th century theologian William Paley, the analogy was this: Humans make watches which are complex, objects in nature are complex, and so objects in nature must have been made by an invisible intelligence or designer.
- Hugh Ross has done the same thing with fine tuning and the analogy is this: Humans fine-tune their machines for a purpose, values of the universe’s physical constants are extremely improbable but consistent with the existence of human life, therefore the universe must have been finely-tuned by a hidden super intelligent agent for the purpose of producing humans.
Quote:I dont see your point? Or how you refute the fine tuning arguement. Your areguement goes like this:Thats not the point. Allow my re-state to try and clarify. To need to fine tune anything implies that the design is flawed in the first place ergo no design. Fine tuning refutes its main purpose to provide evidence of deisgn.
God should of created the universe like X
The universe is Y
Therefore God didnt create the universe because the universe is Y
Your claim is the there are 20+ constants which are tuned precisely to allow mankind to exist. But an all powerful diety can make it possible that there are no constants at all to fine tune and that the whole universe is conducive to life. As far as we know the 99.9999999999..etc% of the universe is hostile to us. Why is this so if design is at play? This is similar to a designer creating an earth where only 1 room in the only house, on the only bit of land could be lived in by humans.
"I still say a church steeple with a lightning rod on top shows a lack of confidence"...Doug McLeod.