RE: "Thou shall not kill" commandment is hypocritical?
April 29, 2015 at 5:35 pm
(This post was last modified: April 29, 2015 at 5:37 pm by pocaracas.)
(April 29, 2015 at 3:51 pm)orangebox21 Wrote:Why, then, did the first translation into english use the word "kill"?(April 28, 2015 at 4:45 pm)pocaracas Wrote: Jaime killed a king... he's the kingslayer!
Now seriously.... the commandment "thou shall not murder" requires the extra bit of information as to what "murder" is considered to be.
Which is defined by the word in the original Hebrew. The challenge you are finding is with the ambiguity of the word kill due to the English language and not the text. The Hebrew text clearly uses two different words with two different meanings.
(April 29, 2015 at 3:51 pm)orangebox21 Wrote:(April 28, 2015 at 4:45 pm)pocaracas Wrote: BUHAHAHAHA!!!Sebeos must not have read the Bible and the Qur'an.
The god of the Bible is the god of Moses, is it not?!
The god of the Qur'an is the god of Moses, is it not?!
But, somehow.... these are not the same?!
Look at some of the earliest texts mentioning Muhamad:
http://www.islamic-awareness.org/History...lysaw.html
Enjoy your learning curve.
Firstly, 1The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons. 2Such teachings come through hypocritical liars, whose consciences have been seared as with a hot iron. 3They forbid people to marry and order them to abstain from certain foods, which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and who know the truth. 4For everything God created is good, and nothing is to be rejected if it is received with thanksgiving, 5because it is consecrated by the word of God and prayer (1 Timothy 4:1-4).
God says that people teaching others to not eat carrion are abandoning the faith and following deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons. This teaching of the Qur'an is demonic.
Secondly, 19"You know the commandments, 'DO NOT MURDER, DO NOT COMMIT ADULTERY, DO NOT STEAL, DO NOT BEAR FALSE WITNESS, Do not defraud, HONOR YOUR FATHER AND MOTHER.'" (Mark 10:19)
And yet, the Qur'an teaches:
Qur'an (16:106) - Establishes that there are circumstances that can "compel" a Muslim to tell a lie.
Qur'an (3:28) - This verse tells Muslims not to take those outside the faith as friends, unless it is to "guard themselves."
Qur'an (9:3) - "...Allah and His Messenger are free from liability to the idolaters..." The dissolution of oaths with the pagans who remained at Mecca following its capture. They did nothing wrong, but were evicted anyway.
Qur'an (40:28) - A man is introduced as a believer, but one who must "hide his faith" among those who are not believers.
Qur'an (2:225) - "Allah will not call you to account for thoughtlessness in your oaths, but for the intention in your hearts" The context of this remark is marriage, which explains why Sharia allows spouses to lie to each other for the greater good.
Qur'an (3:54) - "And they (the disbelievers) schemed, and Allah schemed (against them): and Allah is the best of schemers." The Arabic word used here for scheme (or plot) is makara, which literally means 'deceit'. If Allah is supremely deceitful toward unbelievers, then there is little basis for denying that Muslims are allowed to do the same. (See also 8:30 and 10:21)
Source here
Muslims are permitted to lie: (1) to save their lives, (2) to reconcile a husband and wife, (3) to persuade a woman into a bedroom and (4) to facilitate one on his journey. Muslims are even permitted to disavow Islam and Mohammed if it is not a genuine heart-felt rejection. Muslims will tell you that concealment of a truth is not an abandonment of that truth if it benefits Islam.
Source here
Look into the muslim concept of Taqiyya.
Dude.... Sebeos wrote that before there was a qur'an!
I made it clear that I was using "some of the earliest texts mentioning Mohamed"... these are pre-qur'an and are hailed by muslims as evidence that their prophet was an actual real person (you know, unlike what's available for a certain Jesus).
The qur'an came later, when a caliph (Abd Al-Malik) wanted to unify the caliphate by implementing a common currency and... here's the touch of genius... he built a series of schools, known as madrassas, where the qur'an was taught (a book perhaps edited on purpose for these new schools).
Perhaps you need to learn a bit of how islam came into being... you may even find a few parallels to the very well known catholic religion.
Oh, almost forgot, Sebeos was a bishop from the outskirts of the caliphate, so he was NOT a muslim... care to guess what he was?
