RE: Did Yahweh Set Adam Up?
April 30, 2015 at 10:28 pm
(This post was last modified: April 30, 2015 at 10:33 pm by Godscreated.)
(April 30, 2015 at 9:35 am)Chad32 Wrote:GodsChild Wrote: What does a child eating candy have to do with this. Where is your evidence they were not prepared, you've skipped over what I asked. Want to use a child for this, a young child knows when told not to do something it will be punished, yet that young child doesn't know good and evil.
Well apparently eve wasn't told "Hey. If someone tells you something contrary to what I've told you, come talk to me about it. Ok?"
All it took was the snake telling her what the apple does, and that it won't directly kill her, and she ate it immediately. What do you think he might have told her to prepare her for deceit that a short conversation just overrode that? My evidence of them being unprepared is the fact that it was so easy to get them to break that one rule. All the snake had to do was tell the truth. All eve had to do was offer adam the apple. Neither one of them thought maybe they should consult Yahweh about this new development before going ahead with it.
Yes, that's the point of comparing them to children. They know what words mean, but they don't understand why, so it's not hard at all to make them forget that they'll be punished. Especially if they've never been punished before. They have no point of reference.
You are so blind to what the scriptures say you want even try to understand what's really there. I'm going to point it out to you and you will have to deal with it as you will and, I'm sure it want be to the positive side, simply because you have yet to show you will.
Satan lied to Eve when he told her what the fruit would do, she had seen in person the glory of God and who God really is, Satan used this to push his lie. Satan told Eve that if she ate of the fruit she would be just like God and not die, she saw in her mind what see could become because of what she had seen with her eyes. It was an impossible thing, she didn't become like God who still remains sinless and still alive, Eve is neither, this is just the beginning of what she isn't. As far as God explaining what good and evil were, they couldn't have understood they didn't know anything about it, it wouldn't have made any sense to them. They did understand they would die, she expressed that to Satan and Adam expressed that to her. They also understood that disobedience would lead to their death, again she expressed that to Satan and Adam expressed that to Eve. In your statement you are presuming that they were created, that being so the Creator could easily put into their minds what death and punishment were and in their expressions of what God told them they understood fully.
GC
(April 30, 2015 at 10:17 pm)Pyrrho Wrote:The challenge wasn't about God's reality, she challenged me in my ability to defend scripture I did and she dodged it, simple as that. Get the real facts before jumping into a conversation.(April 30, 2015 at 10:09 pm)Godschild Wrote: ... As for the burden of proof goes, when you challenge me then the burden becomes your's.
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No. The burden of proof is on the person who makes a claim. If you claim that God exists, the burden of proof is on you. If someone says, "prove it," that challenge does not change the burden of proof. That challenge simply asks you to provide the proof for your claim. If you don't prove your claim, than if other people don't believe you, that is your fault for not meeting the burden of proof.
GC
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.