(September 14, 2010 at 3:59 am)Minimalist Wrote: No. I'm going to stop you right there.Minimalist - you're grossly confusing what it is I am attempting to convey.
I understand that we can't 'evolve' scuba gear to swim with fish.
We have, however, evolved the means in which to develop, build, and use those tools.
That is what evolution has provided us in terms of our technology. We didn't evolve our technology, we evolved the means in which to invent, build, and use technology.
(September 14, 2010 at 3:59 am)Minimalist Wrote: We have way to much trouble with fundie assholes around here still demanding to see a crocoduck to let that go by. If we had developed gills to go along with our lungs THAT would be an evolutionary change.Their delusions are irrelevant. You know as well as I do that we could present them with an actual crocaduck with irrefutable proof and they'd still deny evolution as an actual thing. Such is the power of their particular brand of madness.
(September 14, 2010 at 3:59 am)Minimalist Wrote: The fact that our brains allow us to build ever more complex gadgets - some of which may one day destroy us....how's that for irony? - is not to be blamed on evolution.In a wierd sense, we may also become (or 'evolve') into our own technology as machines and humans become less and less distinguishable from one another. Our bodies and the process of evolution is little different from the kind of magic you see in the highly technologically advanced machines we (or future generations) may see in the future. Everything important we already understand has only come from the past few thousand years of recorded history (and perhaps some time before that). It's difficult to imagine what our intelligence will become in the millions of years of time in the distant future.
One of the ways in which we are a successful species is because we have, for better or worse, the ability to create or avert our own extinction. We even now have the power to evolve ourselves and other species in anything of our choosing - a power that grows with every discovery in genetics and biology.
In terms of evolution - we owe everything to evolution. It is the reason we are humans and we have the power to do all of these things and possible far more in the future.
If today you can take a thing like evolution and make it a crime to teach in the public schools, tomorrow you can make it a crime to teach it in the private schools and next year you can make it a crime to teach it to the hustings or in the church. At the next session you may ban books and the newspapers...
Ignorance and fanaticism are ever busy and need feeding. Always feeding and gloating for more. Today it is the public school teachers; tomorrow the private. The next day the preachers and the lecturers, the magazines, the books, the newspapers. After a while, Your Honor, it is the setting of man against man and creed against creed until with flying banners and beating drums we are marching backward to the glorious ages of the sixteenth centry when bigots lighted fagots to burn the men who dared to bring any intelligence and enlightenment and culture to the human mind. ~Clarence Darrow, at the Scopes Monkey Trial, 1925
Politics is supposed to be the second-oldest profession. I have come to realize that it bears a very close resemblance to the first. ~Ronald Reagan
Ignorance and fanaticism are ever busy and need feeding. Always feeding and gloating for more. Today it is the public school teachers; tomorrow the private. The next day the preachers and the lecturers, the magazines, the books, the newspapers. After a while, Your Honor, it is the setting of man against man and creed against creed until with flying banners and beating drums we are marching backward to the glorious ages of the sixteenth centry when bigots lighted fagots to burn the men who dared to bring any intelligence and enlightenment and culture to the human mind. ~Clarence Darrow, at the Scopes Monkey Trial, 1925
Politics is supposed to be the second-oldest profession. I have come to realize that it bears a very close resemblance to the first. ~Ronald Reagan