(May 8, 2015 at 7:43 pm)wallym Wrote:(May 8, 2015 at 7:14 pm)Cephus Wrote: There are a lot of theists out there who absolutely thank Jesus for everything from finding their car keys to surviving another day on the planet. These are most ultra-fundamentalist types and, of course, a small minority of the total theist population. However, the idea that theists are actually thinking about their beliefs, that's another thing entirely. You cannot come to a belief in any god by wholly rational means, you cannot think your way into it because there is no rational reason to believe that gods exist in the first place. Therefore, depending on how you define "thinking", I'd argue that, with regard to their beliefs, lots of theists have never thought about them at all.
There are definitely rational reasons to believe in God. The key is the belief in a number of false premises. Premises that we are often inclined to assume to be true due to sociological and biological influences. But that IS another story.
And thanking Jesus is akin to being thankful you had good luck. Hell, I still say thank god when I find my keys. Not because I believe in some deity, but because the meaning is "I'm relieved things worked out." The only difference is that theists believe that 'chance' has varying degrees of order, while most Atheists just think it is pure chance.
No, there are no rational reasons to believe in any gods because there is no evidence at all that said gods actually exist in reality. If they believe in false premises then their conclusions are likely faulty.
And "thank god" is often a social construct that is a hold-over from religion, but not religious necessarily in and of itself. It's the people who really mean it in a religious context that have a problem.
There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide mankind that cannot be achieved as well or better through secular means.
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