If you want to know what Jesus was up to with “Why have you forsaken me?”, it's essential to read all of the relevant psalm here.
In this, a suffering yet faithful person calls to God for help, with a very successful outcome; the ending with the Gentiles learning to praise God, awakening of the dead and deliverance of future generations being massively important.
This is a really useful explanation, highlighting the various later understandings of Jesus divinity.
Jesus baptism isn't a problem as such. In our individualistic age we forget that Judaism and Early Xianity thought corporately in terms of a 'people'. The prophets were happy to say 'We have sinned', even though personally they hadn't (all the painful conscience, none of the fun). Jesus was perhaps acknowledging his being part of a people who had been called to a vocation they had hitherto failed to fulfil.
The orthodox divine view of Jesus would be vaguely that Jesus was a manifestation of God, in the line including the Burning Bush, Wisdom, Temple Shekinah...
This was probably developed when the Early Church realised that Jesus had done the things that God said He would do, in terms of sorting out creation, sin and humanity.
Am I too late for tequila?
In this, a suffering yet faithful person calls to God for help, with a very successful outcome; the ending with the Gentiles learning to praise God, awakening of the dead and deliverance of future generations being massively important.
(May 1, 2015 at 9:08 pm)Jenny A Wrote: The orthodox view of Jesus is that he was eternal with god and descended to earth as a human for a while.
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They also reveal different ideas about the divinity of Jesus revealed in what god says at the baptism and when he says it.
This is a really useful explanation, highlighting the various later understandings of Jesus divinity.
Jesus baptism isn't a problem as such. In our individualistic age we forget that Judaism and Early Xianity thought corporately in terms of a 'people'. The prophets were happy to say 'We have sinned', even though personally they hadn't (all the painful conscience, none of the fun). Jesus was perhaps acknowledging his being part of a people who had been called to a vocation they had hitherto failed to fulfil.
The orthodox divine view of Jesus would be vaguely that Jesus was a manifestation of God, in the line including the Burning Bush, Wisdom, Temple Shekinah...
This was probably developed when the Early Church realised that Jesus had done the things that God said He would do, in terms of sorting out creation, sin and humanity.
Am I too late for tequila?
