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Why is Jesus in third place when he deserves first?
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Why is Jesus in third place when he deserves first?
Why is Jesus in third place when he deserves first?
 
Jesus says he is doing his fathers will and not his own. This diminishes him.
 
We can curse Yahweh and Jesus, but not the Holy Ghost. This elevates the H G above Jesus.
 
Yahweh created a chimera son and then showed himself to be a deadbeat dad. This reduces him.
 
Jesus died for us while Yahweh shirked his duty to his child. Right?
 
This diminishes Yahweh and elevates Jesus.
 
I think Jesus should be elevated, thanks to those facts.
 
The religions sorely need a judge and logos and using that Jesus archetype and scrapping the Yahweh archetype is what Jesus was trying to tell us.
 
I think Yahweh should take third place. Better still, eliminate third place and the adoration of a genocidal and immoral god.
 
Why is Jesus in third place in the Trinity when he deserves first place, above the genocidal one, unless you see Jesus doing genocide at the end of days?
 
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DL
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I think jesus falls short of Zeus. Hell, Smurfette is far more favorable in times of need.
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Jesus has his own comic book, the other two don't.

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I think Leprechaun's are dumb they keep their gold in pots and hide them from the public. That is a fixed asset that will neither accumulate value or diminish, it will simply track that value it has based on scarcity and use cases for gold. They should really think about liquidating that gold and investing their money in at least an index ETF focused on tech right now. They could retain some of the gold as a hedge against inflation but at this point probably not a great idea.
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(September 20, 2020 at 4:10 pm)Greatest I am Wrote: Why is Jesus in third place when he deserves first?
 
Jesus says he is doing his fathers will and not his own. This diminishes him.
 
We can curse Yahweh and Jesus, but not the Holy Ghost. This elevates the H G above Jesus.
 
Yahweh created a chimera son and then showed himself to be a deadbeat dad. This reduces him.
 
Jesus died for us while Yahweh shirked his duty to his child. Right?
 
This diminishes Yahweh and elevates Jesus.
 
I think Jesus should be elevated, thanks to those facts.
 
The religions sorely need a judge and logos and using that Jesus archetype and scrapping the Yahweh archetype is what Jesus was trying to tell us.
 
I think Yahweh should take third place. Better still, eliminate third place and the adoration of a genocidal and immoral god.
 
Why is Jesus in third place in the Trinity when he deserves first place, above the genocidal one, unless you see Jesus doing genocide at the end of days?
 
Regards
DL

There are no ‘places’. The Father, Son and the Holy Spirit are three aspects of the same Being. It’s not even a case of split personalities, as some have argued. It’s three parts of one personality. You can have athletic Joe, contemplative Joe, and funny Joe, but there’s still only Joe.

That’s the Catholic answer. The atheist answer is, ‘THIS is what concerns you about Christianity? Seriously?’

Boru
‘Let me never fall into the vulgar mistake of dreaming that I am persecuted whenever I am contradicted.’ Ralph Waldo Emerson
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(September 20, 2020 at 5:02 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:
(September 20, 2020 at 4:10 pm)Greatest I am Wrote: Why is Jesus in third place when he deserves first?
 
Jesus says he is doing his fathers will and not his own. This diminishes him.
 
We can curse Yahweh and Jesus, but not the Holy Ghost. This elevates the H G above Jesus.
 
Yahweh created a chimera son and then showed himself to be a deadbeat dad. This reduces him.
 
Jesus died for us while Yahweh shirked his duty to his child. Right?
 
This diminishes Yahweh and elevates Jesus.
 
I think Jesus should be elevated, thanks to those facts.
 
The religions sorely need a judge and logos and using that Jesus archetype and scrapping the Yahweh archetype is what Jesus was trying to tell us.
 
I think Yahweh should take third place. Better still, eliminate third place and the adoration of a genocidal and immoral god.
 
Why is Jesus in third place in the Trinity when he deserves first place, above the genocidal one, unless you see Jesus doing genocide at the end of days?
 
Regards
DL

There are no ‘places’. The Father, Son and the Holy Spirit are three aspects of the same Being. It’s not even a case of split personalities, as some have argued. It’s three parts of one personality. You can have athletic Joe, contemplative Joe, and funny Joe, but there’s still only Joe.

That’s the Catholic answer. The atheist answer is, ‘THIS is what concerns you about Christianity? Seriously?’

Boru

It's a convoluted doctrine. I think it's one of the many weak points of Christian theology.

Trinity basically is three Persons in one God, not three aspects/parts.

Ontologically equal but then it gets even more confusing when it comes to the question of roles. Jesus then becomes like "second in place", not "third" btw. At least that's how some Protestants see it.
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(September 20, 2020 at 5:02 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:
(September 20, 2020 at 4:10 pm)Greatest I am Wrote: Why is Jesus in third place when he deserves first?
 
Jesus says he is doing his fathers will and not his own. This diminishes him.
 
We can curse Yahweh and Jesus, but not the Holy Ghost. This elevates the H G above Jesus.
 
Yahweh created a chimera son and then showed himself to be a deadbeat dad. This reduces him.
 
Jesus died for us while Yahweh shirked his duty to his child. Right?
 
This diminishes Yahweh and elevates Jesus.
 
I think Jesus should be elevated, thanks to those facts.
 
The religions sorely need a judge and logos and using that Jesus archetype and scrapping the Yahweh archetype is what Jesus was trying to tell us.
 
I think Yahweh should take third place. Better still, eliminate third place and the adoration of a genocidal and immoral god.
 
Why is Jesus in third place in the Trinity when he deserves first place, above the genocidal one, unless you see Jesus doing genocide at the end of days?
 
Regards
DL

There are no ‘places’. The Father, Son and the Holy Spirit are three aspects of the same Being. It’s not even a case of split personalities, as some have argued. It’s three parts of one personality. You can have athletic Joe, contemplative Joe, and funny Joe, but there’s still only Joe.

That’s the Catholic answer. The atheist answer is, ‘THIS is what concerns you about Christianity? Seriously?’

Boru

When I was a religious person I thought of the three aspects of God as universal and expressive of the organization of reality. The spirit or father is the thingness of a thing like the kernel of the thing, whereas the holy ghost is the energetic essence or astral part (I was a dualist of course), Then the son was the material. With this model all the things are concurrent and equally important within the triune being. This jived with my idea that we were constructed in the image of god having spirit, soul, and body; although so do rocks, trees, bees, and bugs.
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(September 20, 2020 at 5:31 pm)Rhizomorph13 Wrote:
(September 20, 2020 at 5:02 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: There are no ‘places’. The Father, Son and the Holy Spirit are three aspects of the same Being. It’s not even a case of split personalities, as some have argued. It’s three parts of one personality. You can have athletic Joe, contemplative Joe, and funny Joe, but there’s still only Joe.

That’s the Catholic answer. The atheist answer is, ‘THIS is what concerns you about Christianity? Seriously?’

Boru

When I was a religious person I thought of the three aspects of God as universal and expressive of the organization of reality. The spirit or father is the thingness of a thing like the kernel of the thing, whereas the holy ghost is the energetic essence or astral part (I was a dualist of course), Then the son was the material. With this model all the things are concurrent and equally important within the triune being. This jived with my idea that we were constructed in the image of god having spirit, soul, and body; although so do rocks, trees, bees, and bugs.

This would be deemed a heresy according to mainstream Trinitarian Christianity. Tongue

Try to understand this doctrine as best as possible (it's impossible to perfectly understand it, lol):

Trinity:
Father is fully God. Son is fully God (and also fully human). Holy Spirit is fully God. Each is considered a Person that is fully God and one and the same God, but each Person is distinct from one another.

Ontologically, they are equal. It's the same Being. Economically or in terms of roles, there starts to be some differences in ranking or roles or function or whatever, depending on the specific variation of the doctrine.

One of the key dividers theologically between Catholics and Orthodox is whether the Holy Spirit came forth from the Father through the Son or from both the Father and the Son. Wrap your heads around that.
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(September 20, 2020 at 5:33 pm)Grandizer Wrote:
(September 20, 2020 at 5:31 pm)Rhizomorph13 Wrote: When I was a religious person I thought of the three aspects of God as universal and expressive of the organization of reality. The spirit or father is the thingness of a thing like the kernel of the thing, whereas the holy ghost is the energetic essence or astral part (I was a dualist of course), Then the son was the material. With this model all the things are concurrent and equally important within the triune being. This jived with my idea that we were constructed in the image of god having spirit, soul, and body; although so do rocks, trees, bees, and bugs.

This would be deemed a heresy according to mainstream Trinitarian Christianity. Tongue

I don't now nor would I ever have given a shit! Back then my epistemology was shit and now I'm an atheist who would just as likely debate the fiscal choices of Leprechauns as discuss the triune nature of the universe, god/God, or the anus of Azathoth!
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RE: Why is Jesus in third place when he deserves first?
'God is like a shamrock - small, green, and split three ways.' - Sister Euphemia Of The Five Wounds, Nuns On The Run

Boru
‘Let me never fall into the vulgar mistake of dreaming that I am persecuted whenever I am contradicted.’ Ralph Waldo Emerson
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