We are no different than computers

[The Grand Nudger]

Tell you what, going back to references and ways to find out more about CTM, best way...imo, is to model solutions to "mind" in an HDL.  Nothing overarching or groundbreaking, just little pieces here and there, modules you might say.  So, you might ask yourself how to manufacture a comp sys that could "experience red" - or return some effect descriptively identical to whatever you might mean by "experiencing red".   I would, by no means, say that modeling mind is easy, if it were, I wouldn't be pasting that model on -these- boards, eh? What you might find by doing, however...that you may not necessarily find by reading, is how simple -some- implementations are for things that produce effects we normally ascribe to mind.    Of course, it also allows you to recognize when a living creature -without- mind..presumably, is using some form of comp-for-effect.  My favorite is kin selection, because almost invariably we conceptualize kin selection as a product of some manner of mind, limited, perhaps..in dogs, for example, and sophisticated in ourselves.  Yet, we can watch sea thistle achieve the effect through comp, and demonstrably so.  That last bit is important (imo), because even if we, ourselves, were not producing these effects by means of comp mind......it shows us that they -can be-, and that we don't have to wonder about that..specifically - that it's not just computers ala microsoft that can compute, but also biological implementations which -do- exist. \Here, at least, we can see that certain structures of our own bodies "do comp" even if our minds arent comp...but at least it might whittle away all the effects not necessarrily related to mind, all the noise, if mind were some "else". It would say "okay, mind is "else" - but these things -long list- are comp.  I think the things I would put in that box are the things that you've described as illusions, regardless of whether there is another box, or a better explanation for mind.

In short, I think that ctm would explain much - even in failing to explain mind, and might even help further that better explanation -of mind- as it failed.....so, worth exploring, eh?

-I just like to keep these things going.