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We are no different than computers
RE: We are no different than computers
Exactly, they are more robust than any digital gate, and -could- function as universal gates.  Charles Peirce first showed that NOR could execute the function of any other gate in series or parallel (or some combination).  Henry Sheffer proved (and importantly, relative to Peirce, published...lol), using NAND, that there was such a thing as a universal gate, upon which any logical function could be built.  

see Peirces Arrow, Peirce generally being the more well known not only because he was the first to publish his work, but also because he was a pioneer when it came to demonstrating that electronic gates could be built. Obviously useful in hindsight.....lol

It is important, for any theory of mind invoking computation or logical operations, that this was found to be true.  Because whatever we may choose to conceptualize natures role in all of this one thing can be said with confidence.  Nature is not a designer, not a programmer.  It is a much simpler construction paradigm that nature toes the line on.  If nature were capable of "blindly producing" a thinking machine, repetition of components would, by the nature of it's constructive means, feature heavily.  We would not expect to find task specific gates in greater abundance than universal gates, if this were an "accidental computer".  We would expect, instead, to find something very much like a neural net comprised of universals, in structure - which is what we -do- find....yet another reason I feel that computation is a powerful explanation for at least -some- of the effects we attribute to mind, even if I could not, with certainty, say that computation explains it all, to everyones satisfaction (or even my own).
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We are no different than computers - by dyresand - April 21, 2015 at 1:32 pm
RE: We are no different than computers - by Alex K - April 21, 2015 at 1:44 pm
RE: We are no different than computers - by robvalue - April 21, 2015 at 1:47 pm
RE: We are no different than computers - by Angrboda - April 21, 2015 at 6:59 pm
RE: We are no different than computers - by Anomalocaris - April 21, 2015 at 7:29 pm
RE: We are no different than computers - by AFTT47 - April 21, 2015 at 7:59 pm
RE: We are no different than computers - by professor - April 21, 2015 at 9:37 pm
RE: We are no different than computers - by AFTT47 - April 21, 2015 at 9:48 pm
RE: We are no different than computers - by Whateverist - April 22, 2015 at 8:48 pm
RE: We are no different than computers - by Whateverist - April 21, 2015 at 9:49 pm
RE: We are no different than computers - by IATIA - April 21, 2015 at 10:31 pm
RE: We are no different than computers - by AFTT47 - April 21, 2015 at 10:20 pm
RE: We are no different than computers - by Whateverist - April 22, 2015 at 12:21 am
RE: We are no different than computers - by Thumpalumpacus - April 22, 2015 at 10:51 am
RE: We are no different than computers - by Exian - April 21, 2015 at 10:36 pm
RE: We are no different than computers - by Silver - April 22, 2015 at 12:27 am
RE: We are no different than computers - by Exian - April 22, 2015 at 12:59 am
RE: We are no different than computers - by Silver - April 22, 2015 at 1:15 am
RE: We are no different than computers - by Exian - April 22, 2015 at 1:28 am
RE: We are no different than computers - by Silver - April 22, 2015 at 1:31 am
RE: We are no different than computers - by Exian - April 22, 2015 at 1:44 am
RE: We are no different than computers - by Mudhammam - April 22, 2015 at 8:02 am
RE: We are no different than computers - by Mudhammam - April 22, 2015 at 12:59 am
RE: We are no different than computers - by robvalue - April 22, 2015 at 1:13 am
RE: We are no different than computers - by pocaracas - April 22, 2015 at 5:21 am
RE: We are no different than computers - by Alex K - April 22, 2015 at 5:23 am
RE: We are no different than computers - by pocaracas - April 22, 2015 at 5:30 am
RE: We are no different than computers - by Alex K - April 22, 2015 at 5:32 am
RE: We are no different than computers - by Anomalocaris - April 22, 2015 at 11:18 am
RE: We are no different than computers - by pocaracas - April 22, 2015 at 11:36 am
RE: We are no different than computers - by robvalue - April 22, 2015 at 5:44 am
RE: We are no different than computers - by Anomalocaris - April 22, 2015 at 11:05 am
RE: We are no different than computers - by Mudhammam - April 22, 2015 at 2:49 pm
RE: We are no different than computers - by Alex K - April 22, 2015 at 3:03 pm
RE: We are no different than computers - by Angrboda - April 22, 2015 at 11:46 am
RE: We are no different than computers - by Anomalocaris - April 22, 2015 at 3:10 pm
RE: We are no different than computers - by Alex K - April 22, 2015 at 3:13 pm
RE: We are no different than computers - by Anomalocaris - April 22, 2015 at 4:20 pm
RE: We are no different than computers - by Alex K - April 22, 2015 at 4:31 pm
RE: We are no different than computers - by robvalue - April 22, 2015 at 3:54 pm
RE: We are no different than computers - by Alex K - April 22, 2015 at 4:09 pm
RE: We are no different than computers - by Mudhammam - April 22, 2015 at 5:14 pm
RE: We are no different than computers - by Alex K - April 22, 2015 at 5:19 pm
RE: We are no different than computers - by dyresand - April 22, 2015 at 4:30 pm
RE: We are no different than computers - by Exian - April 22, 2015 at 4:37 pm
RE: We are no different than computers - by IATIA - April 22, 2015 at 4:44 pm
RE: We are no different than computers - by Alex K - April 22, 2015 at 4:48 pm
RE: We are no different than computers - by bennyboy - April 22, 2015 at 5:14 pm
RE: We are no different than computers - by Mudhammam - April 23, 2015 at 12:33 am
RE: We are no different than computers - by Anomalocaris - April 23, 2015 at 4:50 am
RE: We are no different than computers - by Mudhammam - April 23, 2015 at 12:37 pm
RE: We are no different than computers - by dyresand - April 22, 2015 at 6:02 pm
RE: We are no different than computers - by Alex K - April 22, 2015 at 6:08 pm
RE: We are no different than computers - by Angrboda - April 22, 2015 at 5:40 pm
RE: We are no different than computers - by Mudhammam - April 22, 2015 at 8:41 pm
RE: We are no different than computers - by Thumpalumpacus - April 23, 2015 at 11:49 am
RE: We are no different than computers - by Polaris - April 22, 2015 at 8:50 pm
RE: We are no different than computers - by IATIA - April 22, 2015 at 9:03 pm
RE: We are no different than computers - by Polaris - April 22, 2015 at 9:05 pm
RE: We are no different than computers - by AFTT47 - April 22, 2015 at 9:28 pm
RE: We are no different than computers - by dyresand - April 22, 2015 at 10:12 pm
RE: We are no different than computers - by Mudhammam - April 22, 2015 at 11:37 pm
RE: We are no different than computers - by Whateverist - April 23, 2015 at 12:30 am
RE: We are no different than computers - by Alex K - April 23, 2015 at 2:28 am
RE: We are no different than computers - by Whateverist - April 23, 2015 at 12:49 am
RE: We are no different than computers - by Whateverist - April 23, 2015 at 4:54 am
RE: We are no different than computers - by Alex K - April 23, 2015 at 4:59 am
RE: We are no different than computers - by Quatermass - April 23, 2015 at 5:01 am
RE: We are no different than computers - by Alex K - April 23, 2015 at 6:51 am
RE: We are no different than computers - by Thumpalumpacus - April 23, 2015 at 12:07 pm
RE: We are no different than computers - by Thumpalumpacus - April 23, 2015 at 12:44 pm
RE: We are no different than computers - by Exian - April 23, 2015 at 12:17 pm
RE: We are no different than computers - by Alex K - April 23, 2015 at 12:20 pm
RE: We are no different than computers - by Mudhammam - April 23, 2015 at 12:44 pm
RE: We are no different than computers - by Mudhammam - April 23, 2015 at 12:58 pm
RE: We are no different than computers - by Exian - April 23, 2015 at 1:02 pm
RE: We are no different than computers - by Mudhammam - April 23, 2015 at 2:22 pm
RE: We are no different than computers - by Angrboda - April 23, 2015 at 2:36 pm
RE: We are no different than computers - by Mudhammam - April 23, 2015 at 4:21 pm
RE: We are no different than computers - by JuliaL - April 23, 2015 at 4:49 pm
RE: We are no different than computers - by Mudhammam - April 23, 2015 at 6:01 pm
RE: We are no different than computers - by JuliaL - April 23, 2015 at 6:53 pm
RE: We are no different than computers - by Anomalocaris - April 23, 2015 at 3:04 pm
RE: We are no different than computers - by Angrboda - April 23, 2015 at 4:33 pm
RE: We are no different than computers - by Brian37 - April 23, 2015 at 4:44 pm
RE: We are no different than computers - by Alex K - April 23, 2015 at 5:20 pm
RE: We are no different than computers - by AFTT47 - April 23, 2015 at 5:51 pm
RE: We are no different than computers - by IATIA - April 23, 2015 at 7:30 pm
RE: We are no different than computers - by ignoramus - May 13, 2015 at 4:02 am
RE: We are no different than computers - by Alex K - May 13, 2015 at 4:16 am
RE: We are no different than computers - by StuW - May 13, 2015 at 5:38 am
RE: We are no different than computers - by pocaracas - May 13, 2015 at 6:33 am
RE: We are no different than computers - by StuW - May 13, 2015 at 6:45 am
RE: We are no different than computers - by emjay - May 13, 2015 at 7:23 am
RE: We are no different than computers - by emjay - May 13, 2015 at 11:23 am
RE: We are no different than computers - by emjay - May 13, 2015 at 11:42 am
RE: We are no different than computers - by emjay - May 13, 2015 at 12:34 pm
RE: We are no different than computers - by emjay - May 13, 2015 at 2:06 pm
RE: We are no different than computers - by emjay - May 13, 2015 at 3:33 pm
RE: We are no different than computers - by emjay - May 13, 2015 at 4:19 pm
RE: We are no different than computers - by emjay - May 13, 2015 at 4:50 pm
RE: We are no different than computers - by emjay - May 13, 2015 at 5:32 pm
RE: We are no different than computers - by The Grand Nudger - May 14, 2015 at 7:43 am
RE: We are no different than computers - by emjay - May 14, 2015 at 6:03 pm
RE: We are no different than computers - by emjay - May 15, 2015 at 10:34 am
RE: We are no different than computers - by emjay - May 17, 2015 at 8:13 am
RE: We are no different than computers - by emjay - May 17, 2015 at 10:11 am
RE: We are no different than computers - by emjay - May 17, 2015 at 12:47 pm

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