I doubt this will do either of us any good, but because you responded to my thread, took the time to break down what I said, I feel you deserve a response Drich.
I’ll address your first response about proverbs. About Pro 30:5-6, basically what you are saying is, is that those two verses are pointless, and are not meant to be taken literally. Although, the way the sentences are written, it uses a strong, commanding message, that it is to be taken seriously. Either, it’s put in there as a joke or it’s to be taken literally.
With my child-like understanding of theology, and understanding of prayer, and from the verses I have given you in the bible that specifically states that anything you ask will be given to you, I fail to see how your argument is valid. It’s just more useless verses that are put in there to fuck with people’s heads, test your faith, and get you to leave the christian religion I presume.
I actually rarely prayed for myself. I mostly prayed to help others. In fact, I devoted a huge part of my life to it, and hadn’t seen one of those prayers answered. Your god that always says “no” to things that would help starving children, prevent people from getting raped, prevent people getting killed from terrorism, etc. is a massive asshole. And you are out of your mind following and worshipping such a psycho.
The wisdom I have gained from reading the bible, actually led me to disbelieving in it, because it’s full of contradictions, factually incorrect material, and just pure evil.
I don’t need to be told about humility and your other explanations of how prayer and petitions differ from each other, or any other desperate excuse you can come up with to defend the disgusting morality in a book that you so adamantly defend. I could sit here and tell you about rape, beating your slaves, noah’s ark, and adam and eve that they are all easily contradicting fact or just plain evil, but you’ll play, “That’s the Old Testament card”. I could give you the stories of how jesus exorcised demons and sent them into pigs so they could die, how he killed a fig tree for no reason instead of doing one of his boring miracles and making it bear figs immediately, how he didn’t come to bring peace but a sword, how he came divide families and have people blindly follow him, how he said that you have to hate your own mother, father, and yourself to follow him, but you’ll ignore all of that and turn around and point to something else that he said that contradicts that. You can interpret something one way, and I can read it for what it is, because I care about truth.
I actually did all of these things that you mentioned in your post, and it led me to being an atheist, because I decided to use common sense and reason, because faith makes absolutely no sense. I actually cared whether my beliefs were true or not, and didn’t just want to accept them my whole life, because I was raised that way. I didn’t want to live my life making excuses and despairingly grasping at every logical fallacy I could. If you want to, that’s your choice, keep living a life of ignorance
I’ll address your first response about proverbs. About Pro 30:5-6, basically what you are saying is, is that those two verses are pointless, and are not meant to be taken literally. Although, the way the sentences are written, it uses a strong, commanding message, that it is to be taken seriously. Either, it’s put in there as a joke or it’s to be taken literally.
With my child-like understanding of theology, and understanding of prayer, and from the verses I have given you in the bible that specifically states that anything you ask will be given to you, I fail to see how your argument is valid. It’s just more useless verses that are put in there to fuck with people’s heads, test your faith, and get you to leave the christian religion I presume.
I actually rarely prayed for myself. I mostly prayed to help others. In fact, I devoted a huge part of my life to it, and hadn’t seen one of those prayers answered. Your god that always says “no” to things that would help starving children, prevent people from getting raped, prevent people getting killed from terrorism, etc. is a massive asshole. And you are out of your mind following and worshipping such a psycho.
The wisdom I have gained from reading the bible, actually led me to disbelieving in it, because it’s full of contradictions, factually incorrect material, and just pure evil.
I don’t need to be told about humility and your other explanations of how prayer and petitions differ from each other, or any other desperate excuse you can come up with to defend the disgusting morality in a book that you so adamantly defend. I could sit here and tell you about rape, beating your slaves, noah’s ark, and adam and eve that they are all easily contradicting fact or just plain evil, but you’ll play, “That’s the Old Testament card”. I could give you the stories of how jesus exorcised demons and sent them into pigs so they could die, how he killed a fig tree for no reason instead of doing one of his boring miracles and making it bear figs immediately, how he didn’t come to bring peace but a sword, how he came divide families and have people blindly follow him, how he said that you have to hate your own mother, father, and yourself to follow him, but you’ll ignore all of that and turn around and point to something else that he said that contradicts that. You can interpret something one way, and I can read it for what it is, because I care about truth.
I actually did all of these things that you mentioned in your post, and it led me to being an atheist, because I decided to use common sense and reason, because faith makes absolutely no sense. I actually cared whether my beliefs were true or not, and didn’t just want to accept them my whole life, because I was raised that way. I didn’t want to live my life making excuses and despairingly grasping at every logical fallacy I could. If you want to, that’s your choice, keep living a life of ignorance
Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.' -Isaac Asimov-
