RE: Opinions on my drive to be an atheist
May 24, 2015 at 1:03 pm
(This post was last modified: May 24, 2015 at 1:22 pm by Won2blv.)
(May 24, 2015 at 8:29 am)whateverist Wrote:(May 23, 2015 at 11:34 pm)nicanica123 Wrote: Simply, the best way to avoid having kids is to not have sex. I am sure anyone would agree with that
You'll have to break that down for me. I get that the chance of pregnancy is extremely low without sex .. but the "best way"? I can't sign off on that. First and foremost on the negative side of the ledger, you wouldn't be getting sex. Of course if she was good with her hands and mouth, you could have a point. But any method which takes all sex off the table would be a nonstarter as well as fool proof.
Only as a simple truth, not having sex is the only surefire way to avoid pregnancy. I agree with tonus that it seems like a sadistic thing to give us a high sex drive and to be celibate though
(May 24, 2015 at 7:55 am)Nestor Wrote: 1) Does God exist?
2) Does God determine human morality i.e. the best possible life humans can live with one another?
3) If God does in fact determine such, how can you know that your conceptions of either 1 or 2 coincide with the right God or the right ethical approach?
These are all separate questions, and hypothetical knowledge of 1 or 2 doesn't strengthen a person's certainty regarding the others. You can say, I just believe such and such theology, which encompasses such and such ethics, or you can just say I believe in such and such ethics.
1. I don't know, that is why I am trying to come to a better understanding of that myself. Its simply hypothetical when I say, If god exists...
2. If the god of the bible does exist then yes I do believe he sets the standard on morality
3. If that god does exist and does love humans, then he has given them a moral code to live in which it is best for you personally and your neighbors. In the OT that would have been the nation of Israel, today it would be the whole world.
If I do conclude that god doesn't exist or certainly that the god of the bible doesn't exist, then I can see that I can set my own moral boundaries. I would be understanding that the bible is not the gold standard for human behavior. So if I conclude that the bible is the gold standard, to me that would suggest some sort of divine backing.
(May 24, 2015 at 3:48 am)Rhythm Wrote: -and again, those principles didn't seem to help him, and they are not, currently, helping you. I understand the point you're trying to make, I just think it's ignorant. There's no way for you to know that they would help, you're being as vague as possible ("some of the principles"....lol...which ones, specifically...I wasn't aware that religion was a treatment for addiction, enlighten us all?), and now endlessly parroting some bullshit about logical fallacies that you only half understand...and only when you think it applies to the other guy. Have we've reached the terminus of how much thought you put into this story, Nica?
Are you prepared, as per your last post, to "trust god" even if it meant shittifying your wife's life? Is the existence of some god actually a reason, in your estimation, to hold her hostage to your guilt, shame, and doubt? You would trust god, you would make it work, he has his reasons......the only party missing in this little circlejerk seems to be your wife.
-Good luck with that.
So just answer this simple question, if he followed the bibles guideline to not be a fornicator would he have had an unwanted pregnancy? Thats a simple enough question I hope, even for you? What about me, if I followed Jesus principle when he said that if you even look at a woman with passion you would have committed fornication in your heart? Would I be so pressed to want to fuck other girls if I hadn't been dwelling on it? If my brother followed the principle at 2 Corinthians 7:1 to not defile the flesh, would he have done drugs that led to him losing his business, home, and child? Principles don't help anyone if they don't practice them. You are guilty of logical fallacies and you haven't proven otherwise.
God or no god, what do you think my wife would want me to do? Work on our marriage or leave her? I haven't stated that god exists or not. I have said that if he does then he must have a ultimately good reason why he bans divorce except under adultery.
