Biblical Prayer Contradictions

[Drich]

I doubt this will do either of us any good, but because you responded to my thread, took the time to break down what I said, I feel you deserve a response Drich.

It wont do us any Good only if you want to refuse to learn what the bible says, and to whom it is speaking and how.

I’ll address your first response about proverbs. About Pro 30:5-6, basically what you are saying is, is that those two verses are pointless, and are not meant to be taken literally. Although, the way the sentences are written, it uses a strong, commanding message, that it is to be taken seriously. Either, it’s put in there as a joke or it’s to be taken literally.

That' not how the OT works.
The Jews (The people in whom the OT was written/Not Christians.) The Jews Subdivide their Holy Writings into 3 classifications. Books of the law, These books are refered to as the Torah. Next we have the Prophetic books/Written by prophets of God (who are under direct revelation/words and commands of God.) These are called NEVI'IM And finally we get to the classification of book Proverbs and Psalms is under and that is:KETHUVIM Which is translated 'wisdom literature.' In essence the reasons for these divisions in the OT is because the Jews rate the level of involvement of God. In the Torah God is supposed to have had direct say or direct involvement (He wrote the 10 commandments with His own hand). In the Nevi'im God Spoke directly through prophets, and In the KETHUVIM We have Spirit inspired writings. Or rather Wise and men who have been lead by the Spirit write down a song or poem or a bit of wisdom that speaks generally about a given subject. The proverbs and psalms are not laws, they are a collection of songs and saying/wise observations.

http://www.jewfaq.org/torah.htm

Look up the English definition of proverb:
pro·verb

ˈprävərb/
noun
noun: proverb; plural noun: proverbs

1. a short pithy saying in general use, stating a general truth or piece of advice.
   

A Proverb is not a joke, it is a general truth or piece of advise. That is why the book is name proverbs.

With my child-like understanding of theology, and understanding of prayer, and from the verses I have given you in the bible that specifically states that anything you ask will be given to you, I fail to see how your argument is valid.

Because you do not seem willing to look past your 'child like understanding of theology' to something a little more substantive. Probably because you wish to hold on to your argument and your final conclusion rather to question it against the truth of what the bible really says.

It’s just more useless verses that are put in there to fuck with people’s heads, test your faith, and get you to leave the christian religion I presume.

if you believe learning to whom and how the bible was written is a 'test of Christian faith' then know whatever you identified as 'faith' was labled incorrectly. Because our Belief  in God hinges on Seeking Him. To Seek God is to learn all we can comprehend about the book He has given us.

I actually rarely prayed for myself. I mostly prayed to help others. In fact, I devoted a huge part of my life to it, and hadn’t seen one of those prayers answered.

Again what you can't seem to get is YOU WERE NOT PRAYING! You were Petitioning God. You were making wishes, asking favors, Trying to get God to do stuff for you or someone else. This Is NOT Prayer. The Only Example of Prayer we have is the Lord's Prayer. In the Lord's prayer We open with praise and recognizing God, and His Authority. Then we Ask God to usher in His Kingdom/The end of Man's Reign (Basically the events outlined in the book of Daniel and Revelation) Next we are given the opportunity to ask for our daily needs. Then we ask God to forgive our sins if and only if we can forgive those who sin against us. Then we close with a request to keep us from evil and a final praise to Him and His authority.

Again the Primary purpose of Prayer, Real Prayer is to Change our Hearts and minds, not to Change or ask for stuff from God. To ask for stuff for people or your self is not praying. It is petitioning God. Paul outlines this as well as Christ When we are told to pray and the examples of prayer verses examples of petition/supplication.

Your god that always says “no” to things that would help starving children, prevent people from getting raped, prevent people getting killed from terrorism, etc. is a massive asshole. And you are out of your mind following and worshipping such a psycho.

What makes you think God says no? He may well have said 'Yes' to those prayers but the people who were to help out or prevent  those things were not doing what God wants them to do?

The wisdom I have gained from reading the bible, actually led me to disbelieving in it, because it’s full of contradictions, factually incorrect material, and just pure evil.

examples?

I don’t need to be told about humility and your other explanations of how prayer and petitions differ from each other, or any other desperate excuse you can come up with to defend the disgusting morality in a book that you so adamantly defend.

Indeed I would not want to look at the differences between prayer and petition either if I were wanting to hold to my position of 'God does not answer prayers' if indeed my understanding of prayer was completely wrong. The only problem with that (aside from fallacious reasoning) is that in your attempt of a sweeping dismissal you are actually conceding/electing to remain in ignorance rather than look at what you were actually doing critically.

That is like you saying 'my car uses no gasoline.' then when we go out to look at your 'car' we find out it is a horse. Of course you 'car' does not use gasoline, because it is a horse. But, rather than admit you are not comparing like items, you want to end the conversation because you want to maintain a claim you can not substantiate.

I could sit here and tell you about rape, beating your slaves, noah’s ark, and adam and eve that they are all easily contradicting fact or just plain evil, but you’ll play, “That’s the Old Testament card”.

I could give you the stories of how jesus exorcised demons and sent them into pigs so they could die, how he killed a fig tree for no reason instead of doing one of his boring miracles and making it bear figs immediately, how he didn’t come to bring peace but a sword, how he came divide families and have people blindly follow him, how he said that you have to hate your own mother, father, and yourself to follow him, but you’ll ignore all of that and turn around and point to something else that he said that contradicts that. You can interpret something one way, and I can read it for what it is, because I care about truth.

Jesus Killed a fig tree... = Jesus Immoral
 
What branch of hippy nonsense is that from?

I actually did all of these things that you mentioned in your post, and it led me to being an atheist, because I decided to use common sense and reason, because faith makes absolutely no sense.

How is that possible (You doing what I said in my post) if you don't understand the difference between prayer and petition?
Secondly, what makes you think your atheism is not an answered prayer if somehow you did do what you claim to have done?

I actually cared whether my beliefs were true or not, and didn’t just want to accept them my whole life, because I was raised that way. I didn’t want to live my life making excuses and despairingly grasping at every logical fallacy I could. If you want to, that’s your choice, keep living a life of ignorance

What makes you think I was raised Christian? Maybe I did not want to live my whole life doing what I was told was 'good and moral' just because my father thought it to be true. Maybe I got tired of the 'logical fallacies' of pop morality and want to seek the truth and found it in Christ.