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First collisions at the LHC with unprecedented Energy! (Ask a particle physisicist)
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RE: First collisions at the LHC with unprecedented Energy! (Ask a particle physisicist)
(May 30, 2015 at 3:45 pm)c172 Wrote: Is this collidin' watchable on teh youtubez? Kind of like NASA's rocket tests?

There is not much to see. The machine justs stands there... 
It's 20 million collisions per second, so even if one could look inside the detector, it would be a more or les constant glow with some flashes I guess. Selected reconstructed live event displays would be the closest thing to watching operations I guess.

(May 30, 2015 at 3:42 pm)Chuck Wrote: Why is it necessary for the entire universe to be at least a few times the size of the observable universe?

I went back and looked. So, a finite universe of the size of the observable one would leave characteristic traces in the CMB. Depending on the shape you assume the lower bound on the radius is up to twice the distance to the cmb "origin". That prompted me to say several times the size by which I meant volume.

http://arxiv.org/abs/1304.1811

(May 30, 2015 at 2:38 pm)Pyrrho Wrote:
(May 30, 2015 at 2:16 pm)Alex K Wrote: Pyrrho,

This is a question one has to remain agnostic about for the time being. All we know from observations of the microwave backgroubd is that it is at least a few times the size of the observable universe. My guess, which is more like a matter of taste, would be that it is finite and wrapped up, and that our visible universe is a super tiny patch of the whole. I would think that bc the observable universe looks geometrically flat, and that could be because we only observe a miniscule part of a curved whole.

Okay, I like the idea of an infinite universe.  If it is a matter of taste, why not go big?

If you look again at the way I asked the question, you will see that I fully expected the answer to be a "best guess" (my words in my previous post) rather than something known.

It is good to know about the background radiation indicating that our universe is much larger than just what we can see.

Do you expect the revamped toy that is the subject of this thread to find anything that will tell us more about the size of the universe?



Not much larger, mind you, but at least abit larger. 

I highly doubt that the LHC is capable of finding answers to that question. I wouldn't know how. The closest thing would be finding some new forces that teach us about inflation, which would allow a conclusion about how much the early universe expanded. But that's a looong shot.

Btw: that is the correct music for such questions.
The fool hath said in his heart, There is a God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.
Psalm 14, KJV revised edition

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Wimpy little toy. - by Pyrrho - May 21, 2015 at 1:25 pm
Please explain the universe. - by Pyrrho - May 30, 2015 at 2:09 pm
RE: - (Ask a particle physisicist) - by Pyrrho - May 30, 2015 at 2:38 pm
RE: First collisions at the LHC with unprecedented Energy! (Ask a particle physisicist) - by Alex K - May 30, 2015 at 4:23 pm
Pictures! - by Pyrrho - May 30, 2015 at 7:52 pm
... - by Pyrrho - May 31, 2015 at 7:43 pm
RE: - (Ask a particle physisicist) - by Pyrrho - June 1, 2015 at 11:55 pm
RE: - (Ask a particle physisicist) - by Pyrrho - June 1, 2015 at 10:32 pm
RE: - (Ask a particle physisicist) - by Pyrrho - June 2, 2015 at 9:44 am
RE: - (Ask a particle physisicist) - by Pyrrho - June 2, 2015 at 11:35 am
RE: - (Ask a particle physisicist) - by Pyrrho - June 2, 2015 at 4:18 pm
Cat Porn - by Pyrrho - June 2, 2015 at 5:40 pm
RE: First collisions at the LHC - by JuliaL - June 4, 2015 at 12:58 pm
The Rubáiyát of Omar Khayyám - by Pyrrho - June 4, 2015 at 1:08 pm
The Rubáiyát & other stuff - by Pyrrho - June 5, 2015 at 1:34 pm
RE: - (Ask a particle physisicist) - by Pyrrho - June 6, 2015 at 1:48 pm
RE: - (Ask a particle physisicist) - by Pyrrho - June 6, 2015 at 10:31 pm
RE: - (Ask a particle physisicist) - by Pyrrho - June 7, 2015 at 12:49 pm
RE: - (Ask a metaphysisicist) - by Pyrrho - June 8, 2015 at 3:19 pm
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RE: - (Ask a metaphysisicist) - by Pyrrho - June 8, 2015 at 5:31 pm
RE: - (Ask a particle physisicist) - by Pyrrho - June 9, 2015 at 4:12 pm
RE: - (Ask a particle physisicist) - by Pyrrho - June 9, 2015 at 5:40 pm
RE: Uncle K - by Pyrrho - June 10, 2015 at 12:40 pm
RE: - (Ask a particle physisicist) - by Pyrrho - June 9, 2015 at 8:54 pm
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RE: (Ask a particle physisicist) - by Pyrrho - September 2, 2015 at 1:11 pm
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