(May 31, 2015 at 9:03 pm)Esquilax Wrote:(May 31, 2015 at 8:51 pm)ronedee Wrote: Well.... while we're "assuming"... what IF He said: All that stuff down there is bullshit!" I created you and the others, and well.... left you on your own." I figured that you needed to
learn things on your own." And I knew that you wouldn't want me telling you anything, so I just left that great planet for you to use while I was gone." Do you hate me for that?"
First of all, if god actually said that, he wouldn't be the catholic god, really. So there's that.
Secondly, "I knew you wouldn't want me telling you anything"? No, that's actually exactly wrong. I would welcome an exchange of ideas with any god that happened to exist, assuming that it was able to actually justify the things it said beyond "because I said so." A god capable of rational discussion need not fear rejection from me, so any god asserting what you've just said here is either incapable of rational conversation, or is not omniscient.
I think the problem here is that you're adding on a whole lot of things as inextricable components of accepting the existence of god based on evidence, that simply are not linked to that. You ask whether we would "accept" your god unconditionally, where that requires that we love and worship him, and then go "aha! You just won't believe in god ever! You're just being stubborn!" when we say no, but in doing so you're conflating "belief in," with "worship of," and those are two completely separate things. I'm hoping this conflation is simply you unthinkingly extrapolating your feelings about god to being the only possible way to believe in god, that it's an honest mistake, but I dunno. You could be trying to make an ugly, grandstanding and dishonest point too.
That was just a tongue in cheek response. There was no forethought or conflating the issue. The whole point is that we don't know exactly what God is. Only that He represents the Creator to us through history. So, why is emotion involved? If indeed we are created independent, freethinkers why are we pissed at Him? For what exactly? Maybe there is a good reason for the way things are? Who are we to judge our creator? So, when confronted with our "Big Daddy"... do we love Him for giving us life? Or hate Him for giving us life?
Quis ut Deus?
