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Converting to Atheism?
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RE: Converting to Atheism?
June 2, 2015 at 3:42 am (This post was last modified: June 2, 2015 at 3:54 am by robvalue.)
WLC will poison your mind if you take him seriously. It's an honest warning. If you're interested in persueing logic and reason, dump that guy. I know he sounds convincing, that is his skill. I'm not trying to just be mean to him, I'm trying to help you and save you a lot of unnecessary confusion and stress. I've spent a long time now deep in all these issues and debates and I'm trying to share my findings with you. Him smearing atheists like that is a disgusting low tactic. Putting a little qualifier on it makes it no more honest or true.

Like I've said before, bring me any of his arguments and I'll point out what is wrong with them. I'll back this up. He is the master of hiding fallacies and tautologies inside reams and reams of clever sounding words, and playing confusing semantic games. All this in place of any actual substance.
Feel free to send me a private message.
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Converting to Atheism? - by BrimmingIntellectual - May 30, 2015 at 1:11 am
RE: Converting to Atheism? - by SteelCurtain - May 30, 2015 at 1:35 am
RE: Converting to Atheism? - by Alex K - May 30, 2015 at 2:07 am
RE: Converting to Atheism? - by SteelCurtain - May 30, 2015 at 2:09 am
RE: Converting to Atheism? - by Alex K - May 30, 2015 at 2:16 am
RE: Converting to Atheism? - by SteelCurtain - May 30, 2015 at 2:23 am
RE: Converting to Atheism? - by Exian - May 30, 2015 at 9:01 am
RE: Converting to Atheism? - by Alex K - May 30, 2015 at 10:54 am
RE: Converting to Atheism? - by Aoi Magi - May 30, 2015 at 1:40 am
RE: Converting to Atheism? - by BrimmingIntellectual - May 30, 2015 at 1:44 am
RE: Converting to Atheism? - by Cyberman - May 30, 2015 at 1:43 am
RE: Converting to Atheism? - by SteelCurtain - May 30, 2015 at 1:46 am
RE: Converting to Atheism? - by BrimmingIntellectual - May 30, 2015 at 1:52 am
RE: Converting to Atheism? - by Cyberman - May 30, 2015 at 1:53 am
RE: Converting to Atheism? - by SteelCurtain - May 30, 2015 at 1:58 am
RE: Converting to Atheism? - by BrimmingIntellectual - May 30, 2015 at 1:58 am
RE: Converting to Atheism? - by Cyberman - May 30, 2015 at 1:59 am
RE: Converting to Atheism? - by BrimmingIntellectual - May 30, 2015 at 2:03 am
RE: Converting to Atheism? - by LastPoet - May 30, 2015 at 1:59 am
RE: Converting to Atheism? - by Cyberman - May 30, 2015 at 2:04 am
RE: Converting to Atheism? - by BrimmingIntellectual - May 30, 2015 at 2:11 am
RE: Converting to Atheism? - by Cyberman - May 30, 2015 at 2:24 am
RE: Converting to Atheism? - by BrimmingIntellectual - May 30, 2015 at 2:34 am
RE: Converting to Atheism? - by IATIA - May 31, 2015 at 10:18 am
RE: Converting to Atheism? - by SteelCurtain - May 30, 2015 at 2:08 am
RE: Converting to Atheism? - by LastPoet - May 30, 2015 at 2:16 am
RE: Converting to Atheism? - by Cyberman - May 30, 2015 at 2:38 am
RE: Converting to Atheism? - by BrimmingIntellectual - May 30, 2015 at 2:47 am
RE: Converting to Atheism? - by SteelCurtain - May 30, 2015 at 2:50 am
RE: Converting to Atheism? - by BrimmingIntellectual - May 30, 2015 at 2:56 am
RE: Converting to Atheism? - by Cyberman - May 30, 2015 at 3:00 am
RE: Converting to Atheism? - by BrimmingIntellectual - May 30, 2015 at 3:10 am
RE: Converting to Atheism? - by Whateverist - May 30, 2015 at 11:04 am
RE: Converting to Atheism? - by SteelCurtain - May 30, 2015 at 2:39 am
RE: Converting to Atheism? - by SteelCurtain - May 30, 2015 at 3:10 am
RE: Converting to Atheism? - by Alex K - May 30, 2015 at 3:16 am
RE: Converting to Atheism? - by SteelCurtain - May 30, 2015 at 3:39 am
RE: Converting to Atheism? - by downbeatplumb - May 30, 2015 at 3:24 am
RE: Converting to Atheism? - by BrimmingIntellectual - May 30, 2015 at 3:30 am
RE: Converting to Atheism? - by I_am_not_mafia - May 30, 2015 at 4:33 am
RE: Converting to Atheism? - by BrimmingIntellectual - May 30, 2015 at 1:36 pm
RE: Converting to Atheism? - by Exian - May 30, 2015 at 2:21 pm
RE: Converting to Atheism? - by I_am_not_mafia - May 30, 2015 at 5:00 pm
RE: Converting to Atheism? - by BrimmingIntellectual - May 30, 2015 at 5:06 pm
RE: Converting to Atheism? - by Longhorn - May 30, 2015 at 4:39 am
RE: Converting to Atheism? - by Alex K - May 30, 2015 at 5:19 am
RE: Converting to Atheism? - by Longhorn - May 30, 2015 at 5:35 am
RE: Converting to Atheism? - by Thumpalumpacus - May 30, 2015 at 4:48 am
RE: Converting to Atheism? - by robvalue - May 30, 2015 at 5:20 am
RE: Converting to Atheism? - by robvalue - May 30, 2015 at 5:47 am
RE: Converting to Atheism? - by Homeless Nutter - May 30, 2015 at 5:53 am
RE: Converting to Atheism? - by robvalue - May 30, 2015 at 5:59 am
RE: Converting to Atheism? - by BrimmingIntellectual - May 30, 2015 at 1:46 pm
RE: Converting to Atheism? - by Little lunch - May 30, 2015 at 6:45 am
RE: Converting to Atheism? - by Mudhammam - May 30, 2015 at 8:41 am
RE: Converting to Atheism? - by ignoramus - May 30, 2015 at 9:39 am
RE: Converting to Atheism? - by Exian - May 30, 2015 at 9:40 am
RE: Converting to Atheism? - by Longhorn - May 30, 2015 at 9:57 am
RE: Converting to Atheism? - by robvalue - May 30, 2015 at 9:57 am
RE: Converting to Atheism? - by SteelCurtain - May 30, 2015 at 10:05 am
RE: Converting to Atheism? - by Longhorn - May 30, 2015 at 10:10 am
RE: Converting to Atheism? - by SteelCurtain - May 30, 2015 at 10:41 am
RE: Converting to Atheism? - by Longhorn - May 30, 2015 at 10:56 am
RE: Converting to Atheism? - by Alex K - May 30, 2015 at 11:05 am
RE: Converting to Atheism? - by ignoramus - May 30, 2015 at 10:48 am
RE: Converting to Atheism? - by Cato - May 30, 2015 at 10:53 am
RE: Converting to Atheism? - by Thumpalumpacus - May 30, 2015 at 11:48 am
RE: Converting to Atheism? - by Exian - May 30, 2015 at 10:55 am
RE: Converting to Atheism? - by Cato - May 30, 2015 at 11:02 am
RE: Converting to Atheism? - by Dystopia - May 30, 2015 at 10:58 am
RE: Converting to Atheism? - by ignoramus - May 30, 2015 at 11:07 am
RE: Converting to Atheism? - by Jenny A - May 30, 2015 at 11:14 am
RE: Converting to Atheism? - by LastPoet - May 30, 2015 at 11:18 am
RE: Converting to Atheism? - by Faith No More - May 30, 2015 at 11:50 am
RE: Converting to Atheism? - by Longhorn - May 30, 2015 at 11:20 am
RE: Converting to Atheism? - by Whateverist - May 30, 2015 at 11:22 am
RE: Converting to Atheism? - by Exian - May 30, 2015 at 11:26 am
RE: Converting to Atheism? - by SteelCurtain - May 30, 2015 at 11:39 am
RE: Converting to Atheism? - by Longhorn - May 30, 2015 at 11:43 am
RE: Converting to Atheism? - by SteelCurtain - May 30, 2015 at 11:50 am
RE: Converting to Atheism? - by LastPoet - May 30, 2015 at 11:54 am
RE: Converting to Atheism? - by Longhorn - May 30, 2015 at 11:57 am
RE: Converting to Atheism? - by Iroscato - May 30, 2015 at 11:59 am
RE: Converting to Atheism? - by Longhorn - May 30, 2015 at 12:02 pm
RE: Converting to Atheism? - by Iroscato - May 30, 2015 at 12:43 pm
RE: Converting to Atheism? - by Exian - May 30, 2015 at 12:51 pm
RE: Converting to Atheism? - by Longhorn - May 30, 2015 at 1:38 pm
RE: Converting to Atheism? - by Iroscato - May 30, 2015 at 2:44 pm
RE: Converting to Atheism? - by Longhorn - May 30, 2015 at 3:11 pm
RE: Converting to Atheism? - by Whateverist - May 30, 2015 at 12:02 pm
RE: Converting to Atheism? - by SteelCurtain - May 30, 2015 at 12:15 pm
RE: Converting to Atheism? - by Longhorn - May 30, 2015 at 12:41 pm
RE: Converting to Atheism? - by Exian - May 30, 2015 at 12:34 pm
RE: Converting to Atheism? - by Radco - May 30, 2015 at 1:24 pm
RE: Converting to Atheism? - by Alex K - May 30, 2015 at 1:38 pm
RE: Converting to Atheism? - by Fidel_Castronaut - May 30, 2015 at 1:38 pm
RE: Converting to Atheism? - by Whateverist - May 30, 2015 at 2:05 pm
RE: Converting to Atheism? - by LastPoet - May 30, 2015 at 2:08 pm
RE: Converting to Atheism? - by SteelCurtain - May 30, 2015 at 2:19 pm
RE: Converting to Atheism? - by Whateverist - May 30, 2015 at 2:33 pm
RE: Converting to Atheism? - by SteelCurtain - May 30, 2015 at 2:27 pm
RE: Converting to Atheism? - by BrimmingIntellectual - May 30, 2015 at 2:52 pm
RE: Converting to Atheism? - by Iroscato - May 30, 2015 at 2:53 pm
RE: Converting to Atheism? - by BrimmingIntellectual - May 30, 2015 at 3:14 pm
RE: Converting to Atheism? - by Iroscato - May 30, 2015 at 3:16 pm
RE: Converting to Atheism? - by BrimmingIntellectual - May 30, 2015 at 3:24 pm
RE: Converting to Atheism? - by Exian - May 30, 2015 at 3:16 pm
RE: Converting to Atheism? - by Faith No More - May 30, 2015 at 3:56 pm
RE: Converting to Atheism? - by BrimmingIntellectual - May 30, 2015 at 4:52 pm
RE: Converting to Atheism? - by Faith No More - May 30, 2015 at 6:36 pm
RE: Converting to Atheism? - by SteelCurtain - May 30, 2015 at 8:07 pm
RE: Converting to Atheism? - by BrimmingIntellectual - May 30, 2015 at 11:18 pm
RE: Converting to Atheism? - by I_am_not_mafia - May 31, 2015 at 4:18 am
RE: Converting to Atheism? - by Fidel_Castronaut - May 31, 2015 at 6:23 pm
RE: Converting to Atheism? - by Faith No More - June 1, 2015 at 9:29 am
RE: Converting to Atheism? - by robvalue - May 30, 2015 at 2:55 pm
RE: Converting to Atheism? - by Longhorn - May 30, 2015 at 3:23 pm
RE: Converting to Atheism? - by Iroscato - May 30, 2015 at 3:42 pm
RE: Converting to Atheism? - by Longhorn - May 30, 2015 at 3:58 pm
RE: Converting to Atheism? - by Cato - May 30, 2015 at 3:31 pm
RE: Converting to Atheism? - by Alex K - May 30, 2015 at 4:17 pm
RE: Converting to Atheism? - by Exian - May 30, 2015 at 3:34 pm
RE: Converting to Atheism? - by robvalue - May 30, 2015 at 4:19 pm
RE: Converting to Atheism? - by Secular Elf - May 30, 2015 at 4:29 pm
RE: Converting to Atheism? - by SteelCurtain - May 30, 2015 at 4:54 pm
RE: Converting to Atheism? - by BrimmingIntellectual - May 30, 2015 at 4:58 pm
RE: Converting to Atheism? - by Thumpalumpacus - May 30, 2015 at 5:12 pm
RE: Converting to Atheism? - by Longhorn - May 30, 2015 at 4:55 pm
RE: Converting to Atheism? - by Alex K - May 30, 2015 at 6:10 pm
RE: Converting to Atheism? - by Longhorn - May 30, 2015 at 6:17 pm
RE: Converting to Atheism? - by I_am_not_mafia - May 30, 2015 at 6:28 pm
RE: Converting to Atheism? - by Longhorn - May 30, 2015 at 6:34 pm
RE: Converting to Atheism? - by Alex K - May 30, 2015 at 6:51 pm
RE: Converting to Atheism? - by Cyberman - May 30, 2015 at 6:19 pm
RE: Converting to Atheism? - by Longhorn - May 30, 2015 at 4:59 pm
RE: Converting to Atheism? - by Whateverist - May 30, 2015 at 5:18 pm
RE: Converting to Atheism? - by I_am_not_mafia - May 30, 2015 at 5:24 pm
RE: Converting to Atheism? - by LastPoet - May 30, 2015 at 5:25 pm
RE: Converting to Atheism? - by Whateverist - May 30, 2015 at 5:29 pm
RE: Converting to Atheism? - by Longhorn - May 30, 2015 at 5:30 pm
RE: Converting to Atheism? - by Longhorn - May 30, 2015 at 6:23 pm
RE: Converting to Atheism? - by LastPoet - May 30, 2015 at 6:38 pm
RE: Converting to Atheism? - by Faith No More - May 30, 2015 at 6:39 pm
RE: Converting to Atheism? - by LastPoet - May 30, 2015 at 6:42 pm
RE: Converting to Atheism? - by Longhorn - May 30, 2015 at 6:46 pm
RE: Converting to Atheism? - by Cyberman - May 30, 2015 at 6:46 pm
RE: Converting to Atheism? - by Esquilax - May 30, 2015 at 9:10 pm
RE: Converting to Atheism? - by Faith No More - May 30, 2015 at 7:15 pm
RE: Converting to Atheism? - by SteelCurtain - May 30, 2015 at 8:08 pm
RE: Converting to Atheism? - by Exian - May 30, 2015 at 9:07 pm
RE: Converting to Atheism? - by Longhorn - May 31, 2015 at 3:03 am
RE: Converting to Atheism? - by Alex K - May 31, 2015 at 3:50 am
RE: Converting to Atheism? - by Alex K - May 30, 2015 at 7:24 pm
RE: Converting to Atheism? - by Faith No More - May 30, 2015 at 8:08 pm
RE: Converting to Atheism? - by robvalue - May 30, 2015 at 8:10 pm
RE: Converting to Atheism? - by Faith No More - May 31, 2015 at 12:18 am
RE: Converting to Atheism? - by BrimmingIntellectual - May 31, 2015 at 1:05 am
RE: Converting to Atheism? - by SteelCurtain - May 31, 2015 at 12:56 am
RE: Converting to Atheism? - by BrimmingIntellectual - May 31, 2015 at 1:00 am
RE: Converting to Atheism? - by Thumpalumpacus - May 31, 2015 at 4:14 am
RE: Converting to Atheism? - by Jackalope - May 31, 2015 at 1:03 am
RE: Converting to Atheism? - by ignoramus - May 31, 2015 at 3:39 am
RE: Converting to Atheism? - by robvalue - May 31, 2015 at 4:09 am
RE: Converting to Atheism? - by Longhorn - May 31, 2015 at 4:35 am
RE: Converting to Atheism? - by robvalue - May 31, 2015 at 4:36 am
RE: Converting to Atheism? - by ignoramus - May 31, 2015 at 7:56 am
RE: Converting to Atheism? - by rexbeccarox - May 31, 2015 at 10:07 am
RE: Converting to Atheism? - by Alex K - May 31, 2015 at 10:11 am
RE: Converting to Atheism? - by SteelCurtain - May 31, 2015 at 10:35 am
RE: Converting to Atheism? - by Exian - May 31, 2015 at 11:10 am
RE: Converting to Atheism? - by Alex K - May 31, 2015 at 11:32 am
RE: Converting to Atheism? - by Whateverist - May 31, 2015 at 11:52 am
RE: Converting to Atheism? - by SteelCurtain - May 31, 2015 at 2:50 pm
RE: Converting to Atheism? - by Exian - May 31, 2015 at 3:08 pm
RE: Converting to Atheism? - by Whateverist - June 1, 2015 at 12:54 am
RE: Converting to Atheism? - by SteelCurtain - May 31, 2015 at 4:22 pm
RE: Converting to Atheism? - by Alex K - May 31, 2015 at 5:12 pm
RE: Converting to Atheism? - by Longhorn - May 31, 2015 at 5:25 pm
RE: Converting to Atheism? - by Alex K - May 31, 2015 at 5:26 pm
RE: Converting to Atheism? - by Exian - May 31, 2015 at 5:26 pm
RE: Converting to Atheism? - by LastPoet - May 31, 2015 at 7:05 pm
RE: Converting to Atheism? - by SteelCurtain - May 31, 2015 at 7:13 pm
RE: Converting to Atheism? - by Longhorn - June 1, 2015 at 1:04 am
RE: Converting to Atheism? - by Alex K - June 1, 2015 at 6:36 am
RE: Converting to Atheism? - by ignoramus - May 31, 2015 at 7:20 pm
RE: Converting to Atheism? - by Mister Agenda - May 31, 2015 at 8:11 pm
RE: Converting to Atheism? - by LastPoet - June 1, 2015 at 7:17 am
RE: Converting to Atheism? - by robvalue - June 1, 2015 at 3:12 am
RE: Converting to Atheism? - by Alex K - June 1, 2015 at 7:24 am
RE: Converting to Atheism? - by Thumpalumpacus - June 1, 2015 at 12:11 pm
RE: Converting to Atheism? - by Alex K - June 1, 2015 at 3:18 am
RE: Converting to Atheism? - by Exian - June 1, 2015 at 8:02 am
RE: Converting to Atheism? - by Alex K - June 1, 2015 at 8:17 am
RE: Converting to Atheism? - by Longhorn - June 1, 2015 at 3:42 am
RE: Converting to Atheism? - by Longhorn - June 1, 2015 at 7:34 am
RE: Converting to Atheism? - by SteelCurtain - June 1, 2015 at 8:53 am
RE: Converting to Atheism? - by Longhorn - June 1, 2015 at 8:58 am
RE: Converting to Atheism? - by I_am_not_mafia - June 1, 2015 at 5:10 pm
RE: Converting to Atheism? - by Alex K - June 1, 2015 at 7:38 am
RE: Converting to Atheism? - by comet - June 1, 2015 at 8:04 am
RE: Converting to Atheism? - by Cato - June 1, 2015 at 8:23 am
RE: Converting to Atheism? - by LastPoet - June 1, 2015 at 8:46 am
RE: Converting to Atheism? - by SteelCurtain - June 1, 2015 at 8:51 am
RE: Converting to Atheism? - by SteelCurtain - June 1, 2015 at 10:33 am
RE: Converting to Atheism? - by AFTT47 - June 1, 2015 at 10:35 am
RE: Converting to Atheism? - by Won2blv - June 1, 2015 at 4:23 pm
RE: Converting to Atheism? - by Esquilax - June 1, 2015 at 4:36 pm
RE: Converting to Atheism? - by Whateverist - June 1, 2015 at 6:51 pm
RE: Converting to Atheism? - by Alex K - June 1, 2015 at 5:22 pm
RE: Converting to Atheism? - by Simon Moon - June 1, 2015 at 7:13 pm
RE: Converting to Atheism? - by Thumpalumpacus - June 1, 2015 at 9:20 pm
RE: Converting to Atheism? - by Exian - June 1, 2015 at 7:25 pm
RE: Converting to Atheism? - by Alex K - June 2, 2015 at 3:40 am
RE: Converting to Atheism? - by robvalue - June 2, 2015 at 3:42 am
RE: Converting to Atheism? - by Won2blv - June 2, 2015 at 8:53 am
RE: Converting to Atheism? - by Cato - June 2, 2015 at 9:51 am
RE: Converting to Atheism? - by Tonus - June 4, 2015 at 1:05 pm
RE: Converting to Atheism? - by Cyberman - June 4, 2015 at 3:01 pm
RE: Converting to Atheism? - by Esquilax - June 4, 2015 at 3:23 pm
RE: Converting to Atheism? - by Tonus - June 4, 2015 at 3:28 pm
RE: Converting to Atheism? - by Esquilax - June 2, 2015 at 11:28 am
RE: Converting to Atheism? - by Simon Moon - June 2, 2015 at 4:54 pm
RE: Converting to Atheism? - by Esquilax - June 2, 2015 at 5:57 pm
RE: Converting to Atheism? - by Mister Agenda - June 4, 2015 at 11:21 am
RE: Converting to Atheism? - by JesusHChrist - June 2, 2015 at 10:22 am
RE: Converting to Atheism? - by Cyberman - June 2, 2015 at 3:58 pm
RE: Converting to Atheism? - by robvalue - June 2, 2015 at 4:12 pm
RE: Converting to Atheism? - by Faith No More - June 2, 2015 at 4:23 pm
RE: Converting to Atheism? - by LastPoet - June 2, 2015 at 4:28 pm
RE: Converting to Atheism? - by Longhorn - June 2, 2015 at 4:29 pm
RE: Converting to Atheism? - by LastPoet - June 2, 2015 at 4:35 pm
RE: Converting to Atheism? - by robvalue - June 3, 2015 at 3:47 am
RE: Converting to Atheism? - by Exian - June 3, 2015 at 5:59 am
RE: Converting to Atheism? - by Longhorn - June 3, 2015 at 6:07 am
RE: Converting to Atheism? - by Fidel_Castronaut - June 3, 2015 at 6:07 am
RE: Converting to Atheism? - by Alex K - June 3, 2015 at 6:48 am
RE: Converting to Atheism? - by Whateverist - June 3, 2015 at 6:41 am
RE: Converting to Atheism? - by Longhorn - June 3, 2015 at 6:49 am
RE: Converting to Atheism? - by Exian - June 3, 2015 at 7:41 pm
RE: Converting to Atheism? - by SteelCurtain - June 3, 2015 at 8:00 pm
RE: Converting to Atheism? - by ignoramus - June 3, 2015 at 8:12 pm
RE: Converting to Atheism? - by robvalue - June 4, 2015 at 3:54 am
RE: Converting to Atheism? - by Longhorn - June 4, 2015 at 5:59 am
RE: Converting to Atheism? - by ignoramus - June 4, 2015 at 8:25 am
RE: Converting to Atheism? - by SteelCurtain - June 4, 2015 at 3:36 pm
RE: Converting to Atheism? - by Longhorn - June 4, 2015 at 4:51 pm
RE: Converting to Atheism? - by Exian - June 4, 2015 at 5:05 pm
RE: Converting to Atheism? - by SteelCurtain - June 4, 2015 at 8:46 pm
RE: Converting to Atheism? - by Exian - June 4, 2015 at 8:54 pm
RE: Converting to Atheism? - by SteelCurtain - June 5, 2015 at 6:54 pm
RE: Converting to Atheism? - by Goosebump - June 6, 2015 at 1:52 pm
RE: Converting to Atheism? - by ignoramus - June 7, 2015 at 6:05 am
RE: Converting to Atheism? - by Longhorn - June 7, 2015 at 6:10 am
RE: Converting to Atheism? - by Homeless Nutter - June 7, 2015 at 6:41 am
RE: Converting to Atheism? - by Whateverist - June 6, 2015 at 2:25 pm
RE: Converting to Atheism? - by Alex K - June 7, 2015 at 6:31 am
RE: Converting to Atheism? - by Longhorn - June 7, 2015 at 6:56 am
RE: Converting to Atheism? - by ignoramus - June 7, 2015 at 7:17 am
RE: Converting to Atheism? - by Cyberman - June 7, 2015 at 4:28 pm
RE: Converting to Atheism? - by Longhorn - June 7, 2015 at 4:53 pm
RE: Converting to Atheism? - by Cyberman - June 7, 2015 at 4:55 pm
RE: Converting to Atheism? - by Longhorn - June 7, 2015 at 5:00 pm
RE: Converting to Atheism? - by ignoramus - June 9, 2015 at 8:44 am

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