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The fine tuning argument
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RE: The fine tuning argument
(September 24, 2010 at 12:39 am)Rayaan Wrote: Thanks for explaining that. You're quite knowledgeable. Smile

I try, difficult concepts to grasp to be sure.

Quote:I also read in a book about the idea of cosmological natural selection where black holes give rise to new universes and the most successful ones survive. Or something like that. (?)

Something like that, but it's not a good argument as there is no evidence of such a thing happening.

Quote:Still, I don't think that understanding how the universe came into existence or how it works automatically means that there is a less chance of a God existing. Why? Because maybe He just made everything comprehensible like that.

That's not why it's less probable, it's becauase there are many more individual concepts that are attributed to god than those necessary for a naturalistic explanation. god is essentially the oposite of everything we have reason to believe exists: He is a mind without a brain for one, a concept alone that is in stark contradiction with everything we know about mind.

Quote: And if a theory like M-theory (or S-theory or P-theory or whatever it may be) is true, then I feel that there has to be something much more intelligent which would be able to think of such a powerful concept and to put it to work in the first place,

Your feelings have nothing to do with the truth.

Look at it this way: God is a mind, a personality, the examples of which we have are the most complex systems in the known universe - The bare minimum requirements for a mind are many times more specific than the requirements for the basic constituents of the universe - This means that a mind is many times more unlikely to exist than energy and law.

Most theists suppose God has a mind of a different nature, the evidence and necessity for which is nil, making the assumption entirely unfounded.


Quote:Maybe it took a lot of tries to create us but it still worked

So you think it possible that there exists a god who can't get it right the first time?
Quote:Or maybe there was a 100% chance that we would be created one day or another.

We have no reason to think this is the case.

Quote: And if so, then this would imply that all the laws of physics were aimed at creating life for a purpose.

An omnipotent being could create life in a far more efficient manner. Do you believe in an inefficient god?
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The fine tuning argument - by solja247 - September 11, 2010 at 10:58 pm
RE: The fine tuning argument - by Tiberius - September 11, 2010 at 11:16 pm
RE: The fine tuning argument - by padraic - September 12, 2010 at 12:41 am
RE: The fine tuning argument - by Minimalist - September 12, 2010 at 2:23 am
RE: The fine tuning argument - by Skipper - September 12, 2010 at 6:28 am
RE: The fine tuning argument - by Zen Badger - September 12, 2010 at 2:38 am
RE: The fine tuning argument - by Shinylight - September 12, 2010 at 5:41 am
RE: The fine tuning argument - by Captain Scarlet - September 12, 2010 at 6:56 am
RE: The fine tuning argument - by The Omnissiunt One - September 12, 2010 at 7:07 am
RE: The fine tuning argument - by Captain Scarlet - September 12, 2010 at 7:28 am
RE: The fine tuning argument - by LastPoet - September 12, 2010 at 7:30 am
RE: The fine tuning argument - by downbeatplumb - September 12, 2010 at 7:33 am
RE: The fine tuning argument - by solja247 - September 12, 2010 at 9:01 am
RE: The fine tuning argument - by Tiberius - September 12, 2010 at 9:38 am
RE: The fine tuning argument - by Captain Scarlet - September 12, 2010 at 12:00 pm
RE: The fine tuning argument - by lrh9 - September 12, 2010 at 9:08 am
RE: The fine tuning argument - by solja247 - September 12, 2010 at 9:09 am
RE: The fine tuning argument - by lrh9 - September 12, 2010 at 9:26 am
RE: The fine tuning argument - by Entropist - September 12, 2010 at 9:17 am
RE: The fine tuning argument - by LastPoet - September 12, 2010 at 12:14 pm
RE: The fine tuning argument - by socratation - September 21, 2010 at 4:49 am
RE: The fine tuning argument - by tackattack - September 21, 2010 at 1:32 pm
RE: The fine tuning argument - by downbeatplumb - September 21, 2010 at 2:05 pm
RE: The fine tuning argument - by Skipper - September 21, 2010 at 5:23 pm
RE: The fine tuning argument - by Captain Scarlet - September 21, 2010 at 6:04 pm
RE: The fine tuning argument - by theVOID - September 21, 2010 at 8:02 pm
RE: The fine tuning argument - by theVOID - September 21, 2010 at 4:53 pm
RE: The fine tuning argument - by solja247 - September 21, 2010 at 9:26 pm
RE: The fine tuning argument - by Captain Scarlet - September 22, 2010 at 4:27 pm
RE: The fine tuning argument - by TheDarkestOfAngels - September 21, 2010 at 9:46 pm
RE: The fine tuning argument - by socratation - September 23, 2010 at 4:16 am
RE: The fine tuning argument - by Rayaan - September 23, 2010 at 11:10 am
RE: The fine tuning argument - by LastPoet - September 23, 2010 at 12:28 pm
RE: The fine tuning argument - by theVOID - September 23, 2010 at 5:43 pm
RE: The fine tuning argument - by Rayaan - September 24, 2010 at 12:39 am
RE: The fine tuning argument - by theVOID - September 24, 2010 at 12:53 pm
RE: The fine tuning argument - by solja247 - September 23, 2010 at 9:40 pm
RE: The fine tuning argument - by TheDarkestOfAngels - September 23, 2010 at 11:36 pm
RE: The fine tuning argument - by Skipper - September 24, 2010 at 5:37 am
RE: The fine tuning argument - by Rayaan - September 24, 2010 at 5:06 pm
RE: The fine tuning argument - by TheDarkestOfAngels - September 24, 2010 at 5:54 pm
RE: The fine tuning argument - by theVOID - September 27, 2010 at 11:17 am
RE: The fine tuning argument - by Welsh cake - September 25, 2010 at 4:29 am
RE: The fine tuning argument - by downbeatplumb - September 25, 2010 at 8:31 am
RE: The fine tuning argument - by solja247 - September 26, 2010 at 5:50 am
RE: The fine tuning argument - by Shinylight - September 26, 2010 at 6:21 am
RE: The fine tuning argument - by solja247 - September 26, 2010 at 6:23 am
RE: The fine tuning argument - by Shinylight - September 26, 2010 at 6:35 am
RE: The fine tuning argument - by solja247 - September 26, 2010 at 6:42 am
RE: The fine tuning argument - by Captain Scarlet - September 26, 2010 at 4:51 pm
RE: The fine tuning argument - by Shinylight - September 26, 2010 at 6:47 am
RE: The fine tuning argument - by solja247 - September 26, 2010 at 6:52 am
RE: The fine tuning argument - by Shinylight - September 26, 2010 at 7:04 am
RE: The fine tuning argument - by solja247 - September 26, 2010 at 7:07 am
RE: The fine tuning argument - by Shinylight - September 26, 2010 at 7:23 am
RE: The fine tuning argument - by solja247 - September 26, 2010 at 7:28 am
RE: The fine tuning argument - by Minimalist - September 26, 2010 at 8:41 am
RE: The fine tuning argument - by solja247 - September 26, 2010 at 8:57 am
RE: The fine tuning argument - by Minimalist - September 26, 2010 at 8:59 am
RE: The fine tuning argument - by solja247 - September 26, 2010 at 9:12 am
RE: The fine tuning argument - by Skipper - September 26, 2010 at 9:41 am
RE: The fine tuning argument - by downbeatplumb - September 26, 2010 at 3:03 pm
RE: The fine tuning argument - by Minimalist - September 26, 2010 at 9:16 am
RE: The fine tuning argument - by solja247 - September 26, 2010 at 9:53 am
RE: The fine tuning argument - by Skipper - September 26, 2010 at 10:28 am
RE: The fine tuning argument - by The Omnissiunt One - September 26, 2010 at 10:56 am
RE: The fine tuning argument - by TheDarkestOfAngels - September 27, 2010 at 2:29 pm
RE: The fine tuning argument - by Minimalist - September 26, 2010 at 10:15 am
RE: The fine tuning argument - by LastPoet - September 26, 2010 at 11:27 am

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