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The fine tuning argument
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RE: The fine tuning argument
(September 24, 2010 at 5:06 pm)Rayaan Wrote: That's why God doesn't have to be so complex. He could be so simple that it's beyond our grasp to understand His true nature. The simplest thing could also be the greatest and the most mysterious thing you can ever imagine (or can't imagine).
Simple entities are normally the easiest to explain, by corollary, complex entities are usually more difficult to explain.


Quote:We can't understand the mind of God. Maybe it can exist all by itself without needing a brain like we do.
Its worth pointing out your blatant logical contradiction that we can't understand the mind of God, yet assert you can comprehend how complex it is. I can't understand everything about quantum mechanics, doesn't mean there isn't someone else out there who can.


Quote:It's more than just feelings.
It's a combination of faith + reason + intuition - the evidence only.
How you feel about reality has no bearing on what is actually demonstrable. For instance, regardless of how you feel about car crashes it doesn't change the fact there were over 6 million road accidents in the United States alone back in 2005, nor does it make them any less real.

http://www.car-accidents.com/

You need empirical evidence for god to silence your critics, not blind faith.


Quote:Not just a mind, but God is a law itself for the entire universe, a law for all the other laws of nature.
Then by all means, demonstrate how this entity/force governs the physical laws of the universe. Explain to us how it controls the laws of thermodynamics for example.


Quote:I don't know the answer to that, but it's possible that He gave the universe some kind of a self-organizational intelligence to ultimately sort out everything by itself to finally bring out the result which He had planned for. Yet again, maybe He could've done it the first time if He wanted to.
If you don't know the answer, that's fine, that would've been intellectually honest of you to leave it at that, but instead you rant on. So not only do you claim there's an infinite cosmic creator, but now you presuppose it also made the universe sentient? Why stop there? Why not further your groundless evidence-free claims by arguing that every atom in our body is self-aware and ensures we survive after biological death?


Quote:It's only that the universe if innefficient in certain ways. I don't know why He made it like that. However, God reveals His perfection in the universe by bringing order out of chaos. You'll notice that fine tuning has happened through different levels
You're speaking in present tense: When did it do that exactly? You can't coherently state the current universe is "inefficient" and then go on to say its all still "fine-tuned" anyway.
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The fine tuning argument - by solja247 - September 11, 2010 at 10:58 pm
RE: The fine tuning argument - by Tiberius - September 11, 2010 at 11:16 pm
RE: The fine tuning argument - by padraic - September 12, 2010 at 12:41 am
RE: The fine tuning argument - by Minimalist - September 12, 2010 at 2:23 am
RE: The fine tuning argument - by Skipper - September 12, 2010 at 6:28 am
RE: The fine tuning argument - by Zen Badger - September 12, 2010 at 2:38 am
RE: The fine tuning argument - by Shinylight - September 12, 2010 at 5:41 am
RE: The fine tuning argument - by Captain Scarlet - September 12, 2010 at 6:56 am
RE: The fine tuning argument - by The Omnissiunt One - September 12, 2010 at 7:07 am
RE: The fine tuning argument - by Captain Scarlet - September 12, 2010 at 7:28 am
RE: The fine tuning argument - by LastPoet - September 12, 2010 at 7:30 am
RE: The fine tuning argument - by downbeatplumb - September 12, 2010 at 7:33 am
RE: The fine tuning argument - by solja247 - September 12, 2010 at 9:01 am
RE: The fine tuning argument - by Tiberius - September 12, 2010 at 9:38 am
RE: The fine tuning argument - by Captain Scarlet - September 12, 2010 at 12:00 pm
RE: The fine tuning argument - by lrh9 - September 12, 2010 at 9:08 am
RE: The fine tuning argument - by solja247 - September 12, 2010 at 9:09 am
RE: The fine tuning argument - by lrh9 - September 12, 2010 at 9:26 am
RE: The fine tuning argument - by Entropist - September 12, 2010 at 9:17 am
RE: The fine tuning argument - by LastPoet - September 12, 2010 at 12:14 pm
RE: The fine tuning argument - by socratation - September 21, 2010 at 4:49 am
RE: The fine tuning argument - by tackattack - September 21, 2010 at 1:32 pm
RE: The fine tuning argument - by downbeatplumb - September 21, 2010 at 2:05 pm
RE: The fine tuning argument - by Skipper - September 21, 2010 at 5:23 pm
RE: The fine tuning argument - by Captain Scarlet - September 21, 2010 at 6:04 pm
RE: The fine tuning argument - by theVOID - September 21, 2010 at 8:02 pm
RE: The fine tuning argument - by theVOID - September 21, 2010 at 4:53 pm
RE: The fine tuning argument - by solja247 - September 21, 2010 at 9:26 pm
RE: The fine tuning argument - by Captain Scarlet - September 22, 2010 at 4:27 pm
RE: The fine tuning argument - by TheDarkestOfAngels - September 21, 2010 at 9:46 pm
RE: The fine tuning argument - by socratation - September 23, 2010 at 4:16 am
RE: The fine tuning argument - by Rayaan - September 23, 2010 at 11:10 am
RE: The fine tuning argument - by LastPoet - September 23, 2010 at 12:28 pm
RE: The fine tuning argument - by theVOID - September 23, 2010 at 5:43 pm
RE: The fine tuning argument - by Rayaan - September 24, 2010 at 12:39 am
RE: The fine tuning argument - by theVOID - September 24, 2010 at 12:53 pm
RE: The fine tuning argument - by solja247 - September 23, 2010 at 9:40 pm
RE: The fine tuning argument - by TheDarkestOfAngels - September 23, 2010 at 11:36 pm
RE: The fine tuning argument - by Skipper - September 24, 2010 at 5:37 am
RE: The fine tuning argument - by Rayaan - September 24, 2010 at 5:06 pm
RE: The fine tuning argument - by TheDarkestOfAngels - September 24, 2010 at 5:54 pm
RE: The fine tuning argument - by theVOID - September 27, 2010 at 11:17 am
RE: The fine tuning argument - by Welsh cake - September 25, 2010 at 4:29 am
RE: The fine tuning argument - by downbeatplumb - September 25, 2010 at 8:31 am
RE: The fine tuning argument - by solja247 - September 26, 2010 at 5:50 am
RE: The fine tuning argument - by Shinylight - September 26, 2010 at 6:21 am
RE: The fine tuning argument - by solja247 - September 26, 2010 at 6:23 am
RE: The fine tuning argument - by Shinylight - September 26, 2010 at 6:35 am
RE: The fine tuning argument - by solja247 - September 26, 2010 at 6:42 am
RE: The fine tuning argument - by Captain Scarlet - September 26, 2010 at 4:51 pm
RE: The fine tuning argument - by Shinylight - September 26, 2010 at 6:47 am
RE: The fine tuning argument - by solja247 - September 26, 2010 at 6:52 am
RE: The fine tuning argument - by Shinylight - September 26, 2010 at 7:04 am
RE: The fine tuning argument - by solja247 - September 26, 2010 at 7:07 am
RE: The fine tuning argument - by Shinylight - September 26, 2010 at 7:23 am
RE: The fine tuning argument - by solja247 - September 26, 2010 at 7:28 am
RE: The fine tuning argument - by Minimalist - September 26, 2010 at 8:41 am
RE: The fine tuning argument - by solja247 - September 26, 2010 at 8:57 am
RE: The fine tuning argument - by Minimalist - September 26, 2010 at 8:59 am
RE: The fine tuning argument - by solja247 - September 26, 2010 at 9:12 am
RE: The fine tuning argument - by Skipper - September 26, 2010 at 9:41 am
RE: The fine tuning argument - by downbeatplumb - September 26, 2010 at 3:03 pm
RE: The fine tuning argument - by Minimalist - September 26, 2010 at 9:16 am
RE: The fine tuning argument - by solja247 - September 26, 2010 at 9:53 am
RE: The fine tuning argument - by Skipper - September 26, 2010 at 10:28 am
RE: The fine tuning argument - by The Omnissiunt One - September 26, 2010 at 10:56 am
RE: The fine tuning argument - by TheDarkestOfAngels - September 27, 2010 at 2:29 pm
RE: The fine tuning argument - by Minimalist - September 26, 2010 at 10:15 am
RE: The fine tuning argument - by LastPoet - September 26, 2010 at 11:27 am

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