RE: The fine tuning argument
September 27, 2010 at 2:29 pm
(This post was last modified: September 27, 2010 at 2:40 pm by TheDarkestOfAngels.)
(September 26, 2010 at 6:52 am)solja247 Wrote: Perhaps He isnt.That doesn't make any sense. You an those who also ascribe to the fail train of the 'first cause' arguement all seem to be able to make the arguement that the universe CANNOT be eternal but MUST have a cause yet God by your own definition DOES NOT have a cause or, by your own admission, whose cause is IRRELEVANT or UNKNOWN to the arguement.
Something created God, something created God's creator, something created creator's creator, something created creator's creator, something created creator's creator, something created creator's creator, something created creator's creator...
You see how we dont get anywhere?
Either something created God and that God was created by another God and that God was created by another God OR there was an uncaused cause, which is God...
Which amuses me to no end, because you can apply all of these arguements to the current naturalistic theories of the universe with a far greater likelyhood of them being true - yet you and others like you use this as an arguement that there MUST be a creator when such a being is entirely unnecessary.
(September 26, 2010 at 9:53 am)solja247 Wrote: There are many things you cant touch in this world, yet you still believe they are real and not a 'fantasy'.Humans also cannot touch neutrinos - a particle so ethereal that billions of them can pass through the entire planet without interacting with a single molecule. Yet, we have proven their existence with specialized 'neutrino detectors' thanks to the fact that a rare few sometimes do interact with normal matter. As such, I believe in neutrinos, even though I have never seen one, touched one, smelt one, tasted, heard one, or operated a neutrino detector personally.
(September 26, 2010 at 9:53 am)solja247 Wrote: There is no reason why one should not believe in a Deistic God...
Because there is no reason to believe in one.
If today you can take a thing like evolution and make it a crime to teach in the public schools, tomorrow you can make it a crime to teach it in the private schools and next year you can make it a crime to teach it to the hustings or in the church. At the next session you may ban books and the newspapers...
Ignorance and fanaticism are ever busy and need feeding. Always feeding and gloating for more. Today it is the public school teachers; tomorrow the private. The next day the preachers and the lecturers, the magazines, the books, the newspapers. After a while, Your Honor, it is the setting of man against man and creed against creed until with flying banners and beating drums we are marching backward to the glorious ages of the sixteenth centry when bigots lighted fagots to burn the men who dared to bring any intelligence and enlightenment and culture to the human mind. ~Clarence Darrow, at the Scopes Monkey Trial, 1925
Politics is supposed to be the second-oldest profession. I have come to realize that it bears a very close resemblance to the first. ~Ronald Reagan
Ignorance and fanaticism are ever busy and need feeding. Always feeding and gloating for more. Today it is the public school teachers; tomorrow the private. The next day the preachers and the lecturers, the magazines, the books, the newspapers. After a while, Your Honor, it is the setting of man against man and creed against creed until with flying banners and beating drums we are marching backward to the glorious ages of the sixteenth centry when bigots lighted fagots to burn the men who dared to bring any intelligence and enlightenment and culture to the human mind. ~Clarence Darrow, at the Scopes Monkey Trial, 1925
Politics is supposed to be the second-oldest profession. I have come to realize that it bears a very close resemblance to the first. ~Ronald Reagan
