Something I'm sick of hearing
June 26, 2015 at 10:41 pm
(This post was last modified: June 26, 2015 at 10:48 pm by Regina.)
When someone talks about something shitty a religion has done;
"China is an atheist country but it killed millions of people!"
"Oh but the USSR was atheist and it made being gay illegal!"
"Nazi Germany was atheist and it had The Holocaust!"
I'm sick of these circular-ass conversations with religious people (and apologists) about how "Russia, China and Germany were atheist but they killed x million people". Fuck explaining to this lot that these three states were still "religious" and dogmatic, in that they basically worshipped their venerated leaders as infallible and above human. Fuck telling this lot that living in Nazi Germany and being treated poorly was not "atheism", and that it is the cultural legacy of religion and dogmatism working through proxy, through being imprinted on the social and political fabric of society.
It's a false equivalency to compare their systems to democratic secular societies which grant freedom of religion and self-expression. The only thing these three "atheist states" have in common with secular democracies is that they didn't like religion having power. That's the only common thread.
Side-note I probably posted this thread in the wrong section, if any mods want to move it somewhere more suitable feel free.
"China is an atheist country but it killed millions of people!"
"Oh but the USSR was atheist and it made being gay illegal!"
"Nazi Germany was atheist and it had The Holocaust!"
I'm sick of these circular-ass conversations with religious people (and apologists) about how "Russia, China and Germany were atheist but they killed x million people". Fuck explaining to this lot that these three states were still "religious" and dogmatic, in that they basically worshipped their venerated leaders as infallible and above human. Fuck telling this lot that living in Nazi Germany and being treated poorly was not "atheism", and that it is the cultural legacy of religion and dogmatism working through proxy, through being imprinted on the social and political fabric of society.
It's a false equivalency to compare their systems to democratic secular societies which grant freedom of religion and self-expression. The only thing these three "atheist states" have in common with secular democracies is that they didn't like religion having power. That's the only common thread.
Side-note I probably posted this thread in the wrong section, if any mods want to move it somewhere more suitable feel free.
"Adulthood is like looking both ways before you cross the road, and then getting hit by an airplane" - sarcasm_only
"Ironically like the nativist far-Right, which despises multiculturalism, but benefits from its ideas of difference to scapegoat the other and to promote its own white identity politics; these postmodernists, leftists, feminists and liberals also use multiculturalism, to side with the oppressor, by demanding respect and tolerance for oppression characterised as 'difference', no matter how intolerable." - Maryam Namazie
"Ironically like the nativist far-Right, which despises multiculturalism, but benefits from its ideas of difference to scapegoat the other and to promote its own white identity politics; these postmodernists, leftists, feminists and liberals also use multiculturalism, to side with the oppressor, by demanding respect and tolerance for oppression characterised as 'difference', no matter how intolerable." - Maryam Namazie
